$2 NLHE 6-max: All in with overpair?

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Ok i am not sure whether i played this correctly or not.

I have a very tight opening image. And do not play very many hands oop.


Very little read on villain. I have not bought a HUD so no stats.

Thanks for any feedback

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2339540
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BB: $2.03
UTG: $3.00
MP: $0.71
CO: $2.62
Hero (BTN): $3.27
SB: $3.83

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q :club: Q :heart:
UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.52, Hero calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.07) 5 :club: 7 :heart: 4 :spade: (2 players)
UTG bets $0.64, Hero raises to $1.44, UTG raises to $2.24, Hero raises to $2.75 all in, UTG calls $0.24 all in

Turn: ($6.03) 5 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($6.03) T :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)
 
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As played, all in is fine.

Do you have any read on your opponent, like tendencies or playing style? If he's a loose player, I'd get it all in preflop, as he may show up with 99/10-10/JJ, AK, AQ, or even worse. If he's tight, best case scenario is a coin flip against AK, but you're probably beat.

Weak players will seldom fold QQ preflop, but facing a tight player's 4-bet, it may be the right move (unless both of you are deep enough to set mine, which you aren't). Just because you don't have a HUD doesn't mean you have no information. I'm a live player almost exclusively, so I've never had a HUD to help me with reads. Simply knowing a player's style can help greatly in tough situations like this. Also, pay attention to 3-bets and 4-bets whenever they happen. If you've been at the table with the player for an extended period of time and he's never 4-bet and has rarely 3-bet, easy laydown.
 
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Preflop is either a 5bet shove or a fold, calling is nonsensical.

If you know his exact 4bet range then maybe we can discuss it :D but your default tight stackoff range should be QQ+, AK in 2NL (against unknowns).
 
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Preflop is either a 5bet shove or a fold, calling is nonsensical.

If you know his exact 4bet range then maybe we can discuss it :D but your default tight stackoff range should be QQ+, AK in 2NL (against unknowns).

^^Forgot to mention that. Absolutely correct.
 
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As played, all in is fine.

Do you have any read on your opponent, like tendencies or playing style? If he's a loose player, I'd get it all in preflop, as he may show up with 99/10-10/JJ, AK, AQ, or even worse. If he's tight, best case scenario is a coin flip against AK, but you're probably beat.

Weak players will seldom fold QQ preflop, but facing a tight player's 4-bet, it may be the right move (unless both of you are deep enough to set mine, which you aren't). Just because you don't have a HUD doesn't mean you have no information. I'm a live player almost exclusively, so I've never had a HUD to help me with reads. Simply knowing a player's style can help greatly in tough situations like this. Also, pay attention to 3-bets and 4-bets whenever they happen. If you've been at the table with the player for an extended period of time and he's never 4-bet and has rarely 3-bet, easy laydown.

Cheers for the feedback, i had no read he had played a few hands and i had no previous info on him. I went along with the call as i saw his range as AK,maybe AQ AA KK. If there was no A or K on the flop i was prepared to get the rest in. I agree with your thoughts about the HUD but i was saying that as i may of played against him previously but had no notes on the villain.

Turns out he had AK and i won the pot! cheers
 
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Preflop is either a 5bet shove or a fold, calling is nonsensical.

If you know his exact 4bet range then maybe we can discuss it :D but your default tight stackoff range should be QQ+, AK in 2NL (against unknowns).


Ok thanks i will take that into account next time i play, may i ask what worse hands are calling from our shove though? loose then 1010 JJ maybe AQ, but we are always getting a call from AA,KK,AK.. cheers
 
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How many hands do you have at 2NL? Even without HUD you must have some idea.

My DB shows massive profits when stacking off with KK/AA and slight profits with AK, QQ (and some of the losses were avoidable but for my lack of paying attention to who was doing the 4bet). Still, this helps get money from regs who do have HUDs, trust me nobody gives money to nits who only stack off AA.

Yes you are always getting a call from these, so what?

Let me get this straight - you plan to give away your stack to KK, AA if the flop doesn't show A or K and you think this is +EV because you maybe get money (which is usually just the cbet against people with a brain) from AK to compensate? This is better than getting it in preflop how exactly?

I think you should pay attention to others (especially regs) and try to see what ranges other people have for preflop stackoffs. Loads of aggrofish stack off random crap and you need to know who they are. Also, nits only 3bet/4bet AA or KK+ and again, know who they are and see if you have odds to setmine (you don't need much since they never fold post flop).

This guy is an aggrofish obviously (stacking off OTF with air) and I doubt his preflop stackoff range is so tight he doesn't give up value to QQ+/AK range.

In 2NL fish massively outnumber winning regs BTW.

P.S. What does "buying" have with having a HUD? I used the trial version until I earned enough to buy a license (it took less than a month BTW).
 
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I really don't like the preflop flat call. Like others have said, it's either a 5bet jam or fold. Although I really hate folding here at these stakes. I would most likely 5bet ship it. At higher stakes you could get away with another raise but at theses stakes a shove if fine as a lot of worse hands will stack off here (55+, AJo+, AQs+).

Once you flat preflop however, you have a few options on the flop. The line you took preflop seems like you were trying to trap, so this would be a perfect flop to continue that line. Raising the flop and hoping he gets it with 66, 88-JJ is good but it also takes away his bluff a lot here (clearly not this time). Many players would simply fold once you raise the flop since you are representing a lot of strength. I like continuing the trap and calling the flop bet since you are in position. Hero is likely to fire 90% of turn cards and then you can raise and get it in.

All in all, the way you played the hand is fine. You got him to commit all his chips with air and only 6 outs giving yourself a great chance to win a big pot.
 
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How many hands do you have at 2NL? Even without HUD you must have some idea.

My DB shows massive profits when stacking off with KK/AA and slight profits with AK, QQ (and some of the losses were avoidable but for my lack of paying attention to who was doing the 4bet). Still, this helps get money from regs who do have HUDs, trust me nobody gives money to nits who only stack off AA.

Yes you are always getting a call from these, so what?

Let me get this straight - you plan to give away your stack to KK, AA if the flop doesn't show A or K and you think this is +EV because you maybe get money (which is usually just the cbet against people with a brain) from AK to compensate? This is better than getting it in preflop how exactly?

I think you should pay attention to others (especially regs) and try to see what ranges other people have for preflop stackoffs. Loads of aggrofish stack off random crap and you need to know who they are. Also, nits only 3bet/4bet AA or KK+ and again, know who they are and see if you have odds to setmine (you don't need much since they never fold post flop).

This guy is an aggrofish obviously (stacking off OTF with air) and I doubt his preflop stackoff range is so tight he doesn't give up value to QQ+/AK range.

In 2NL fish massively outnumber winning regs BTW.

P.S. What does "buying" have with having a HUD? I used the trial version until I earned enough to buy a license (it took less than a month BTW).

5k hands maybe, used to play a lot of sit and go's and zoom.

Totally understand what you are saying now. we are not always getting a call with AK on the flop soo are losing so much value.

About the HUD PT4 is $99, i did make that but then lost it playing Heads UP so am starting from the bottom again, cheers again for the help!!
 
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I really don't like the preflop flat call. Like others have said, it's either a 5bet jam or fold. Although I really hate folding here at these stakes. I would most likely 5bet ship it. At higher stakes you could get away with another raise but at theses stakes a shove if fine as a lot of worse hands will stack off here (55+, AJo+, AQs+).

Once you flat preflop however, you have a few options on the flop. The line you took preflop seems like you were trying to trap, so this would be a perfect flop to continue that line. Raising the flop and hoping he gets it with 66, 88-JJ is good but it also takes away his bluff a lot here (clearly not this time). Many players would simply fold once you raise the flop since you are representing a lot of strength. I like continuing the trap and calling the flop bet since you are in position. Hero is likely to fire 90% of turn cards and then you can raise and get it in.

All in all, the way you played the hand is fine. You got him to commit all his chips with air and only 6 outs giving yourself a great chance to win a big pot.


Cheers, i understand the 5 bet shove was in order now!!
 
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I would have played it as you did, but this hand is why I hate No limit. Too easy to lose it all. Glad you won.
 
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