$2 NLHE 6-max: AA on a drawing board facing a check raise

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pokerstars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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The hand is against an unknown opponent

Hero (CO): 234.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 25)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 33.5 BB (VPIP: 12.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
UTG: 70.5 BB (VPIP: 55.00, PFR: 36.25, 3Bet Preflop: 14.71, Hands: 80)
MP: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 13.67, PFR: 5.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 290)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ad
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 7h 9d 8d
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Turn : (29 BB, 2 players) 2h
SB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River : (69 BB, 2 players) 9h
SB bets 66 BB and is all-in, Hero??

I feel like I should've shown more aggression on the flop with a 3 bet & then fold. By check calling I was always behind
 
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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

The hand is against an unknown opponent

Hero (CO): 234.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
BB: 33.5 BB (VPIP: 12.86, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
UTG: 70.5 BB (VPIP: 55.00, PFR: 36.25, 3Bet Preflop: 14.71, Hands: 80)
MP: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 13.67, PFR: 5.40, 3Bet Preflop: 4.07, Hands: 290)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has As Ad
fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop : (7 BB, 2 players) 7h 9d 8d
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Turn : (29 BB, 2 players) 2h
SB bets 20 BB, Hero calls 20 BB

River : (69 BB, 2 players) 9h
SB bets 66 BB and is all-in, Hero??

I feel like I should've shown more aggression on the flop with a 3 bet & then fold. By check calling I was always behind



I disagree with last statement.

It may be results oriented.


The real question you need to ask yourself is "would this villain c/r semi bluff here?"


Or, does he just have a set or J-10 and is trying to protect his hand.


You were in this game. You didn't list any information about the V, any reads, or history.


So, black and white, you could call flop, but I fold turn. Our AA is only ahead of bluffs and semi bluffs, alot of his semi bluffs have tons of equity. And we could be drawing dead on turn.


Call flop if you must, fold turn to continued aggression, unimproved. We do have the Ad.


You just have a bluff catcher here.


If we re-raise flop, then what if he jams? We call? Yeah, when you click it back on this flop, you inflate the pot even more, and you open him up to jam it right down your throat. You have one pair, and no re-draws. We don't even know if we turn an ace if thats good. J-10 is a real possibility here IMO.


So my official input is, call flop sometimes, fold flop sometimes, based on reads/history (that only you know).


I don't think I would 3b him on the flop. That's not a good thing to do here.


Edit: You didnt "check call" on the flop. You said you should have shown more aggression. You raised pre, you bet the flop. That's aggression right?


He must have had 9-10 and he got there. Your thinking is results oriented.


2nd edit: absolutely fold river as played. Hardly ever is AA good here.
 
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I forgot to add....


8-9-7dd is a terrible flop for AA. Probably a better line is to check back flop, call turn (assuming it's not a 6, 10, 5 or J, if diamond maybe call turn, maybe not read based and bet size is a factor, implied odds a factor, are we getting paid on 4 diamond run out?)


Anyways, lets say same hand, we check through flop.


Turn 2. Dude bets, we call. We allow him to bluff, keep pot smaller.

River 9. Guy bets again, yeah we prob fold. EZ game. On to the next hand.
 
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No reads because he just sat at the table.
While the decision maybe result oriented it would've made my decisions much easier on the later streets. If I did 3 bet there, then he called or raised or shoved, it'd definitely be a check fold or fold easily.

Lets say he value bets on the river with the nuts instead of a shove giving me a good price. Wouldn't I have called it then?

BTW he was a good player as I observed later on.
 
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If the same hand was against a lag doneky or a terrible fish, should the decisions be the same again?
I think the opponent plays a very important role here as the cards.
 
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If the same hand was against a lag doneky or a terrible fish, should the decisions be the same again?
I think the opponent plays a very important role here as the cards.

I don't really think it matters who the hand is against. This isn't a good flop for AA.

If you are playing against a LAG, what do we do? Check back flop. We aren't gonna let this guy c/r us and put us in shitty spots.

If it's against a "terrible fish", as you say, it could be different. Like a calling station fish.... bet bet check.

We aren't getting three streets of value with AA here. We are trying to get to showdown cheap. If someone calls too much, we can bet twice sometimes, but I think most of the I would check back flop (most times, not all, opponent dependant).


Don't think about what this guy had, this time. Think about the value of AA on a board like that. AA is not a hand I want to be piling money into the pot with, when the board is 8-9-7dd. No. It's one pair. It's just a pair.


Just recognize your hand's value on board textures.

Flop A-6-7cc, and we have AA, we want large sums of chips going in the pot if possible.

Flop 7-8-9dd, not so much. Flop J-Q-Kdd, yeah not so much. Flop 3-4-5cc. Not so much. It's not that we can't bet, but if we get raised or get action it just sucks and we end up value owning ourselves alot if we push it.
 
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I think fold is advised here for sure. I put him on pocket 8's or 7's. He showed strength throughout the hand. Your aces can't beat much that is showing on that board, even if you hit the third one. imo
 
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