$2 NLHE 6-max: 87 Good flop facing a Shove after my donkbet

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888 Poker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4
CO: $4.03 (VPIP: 46.48, PFR: 29.58, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, hands: 74)
BTN: $0.36 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: $2.00 (VPIP: 35.48, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 31)
Hero (BB): $3.93
UTG: $5.29 (VPIP: 46.70, PFR: 29.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 238)
MP: $2.62 (VPIP: 39.47, PFR: 7.89, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 38)
SB posts SB $0.01, Hero posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 8:heart: 7:heart:
UTG raises to $0.07, fold, CO calls $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, fold, Hero calls $0.05
Flop: ($0.29, 4 players) 4:club: 8:diamond: 6:heart:
Hero bets $0.29, UTG raises to $5.22, fold, BTN calls $0.29, fold
Turn: ($1.16, 2 players) 5:diamond:
River: ($1.16, 2 players) K:diamond:


I was very tempted to call and it hurt when my card came out... Is it possible that calling is the best possible situation since I've already hit with a draw? Quite a few outs. I think if it was an OESD FD i'd have called but think it's too thin?
 
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Just fold pre. You're at table full of fish, wait till you're in position and have a better hand then vbet the shit out of these guys
 
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Yes this is where I've had trouble with ... And definetly putting extra effort in folding these hands. I've slipped by playing this, And agreed Position and better hand, takes a lot of patience to not play loosish hands like this... Anyways working on it.
 
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IMO it is a fold pre flop. But if we play this hand, it is fold after the flop to his all in. You have only pair with a draw. Besides your donkbet is too big for me, I play here about 1/2 of pot, if he makes a reraise (but not 5,22$) I wonder if call or fold. It depends how big is his reraise, for example I play donkbet about 0,14$, his reraise is about 0,35$ then I make a call after the flop and wait on turn card.
 
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I'm trying to get 1/2 size pot bets more into my game... I normally 3/4 full pot kinda guy which ofc means i'm burning money which is why I said trying to get it more into my game.

Hoping eventually if I use the 1/2 pot size bet enough, I'll have it respected with the regs.
 
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What are you trying to accomplish with your flop bet? You are neither giving yourself a good price on your draw nor are you going to get better hands to fold on this flop. You're basically taking a pretty decent hand with solid equity and turning it into a bluff.

You have good relative position and, assuming things don't get batshit crazy, will be able to see the turn for a good price/free.

One of Sklansky's fundamental principles is to not bet if you will throw up in your mouth if you get raised. If the board is 823r and you have A8 you can bet for value and if you get raised, it's not really a throw-up spot because you can safely assume UTG has you beat. This HH is a clear throw up spot because you have good equity vs. his range but you induced a shove and don't have the odds to call off.
 
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fold preflop with UTG raising. even if we play these hands once in a while to mix things up after flop I would rather check as my only hope is flush or straight but any aggressive raises will have to be folded to as we might be drawing dead.
 
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I think Preflop fold was a good idea, 7D8D dose not have reputed winning %, but small table like this you should have check/call
 
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its a fold, and why bet to 4 players its just a waste of money.
 
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PREFLOP FOLD?????? really guys? there are 4 people already in the pot and he is getting an excellent price to call (0.5 cent to win like 0.21) with a suited connector that plays well in multiway pots. I dont understand why we should be folding pre. I'm raising pre sometimes(squeezing) here in order to steal depending on stats of PFRaiser. and i just noticed hes a fish . So squeeze it is.

For the rest of it i agree with baudib. Your giving yourself a bad price by leading. You want to be check calling here and then re assessing on turn and river.
 
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because squeezing/calling pre when youre in the worst position, at a table full of aggro fish, with a speculative hand is terrible...
 
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What are you trying to accomplish with your flop bet? You are neither giving yourself a good price on your draw nor are you going to get better hands to fold on this flop. You're basically taking a pretty decent hand with solid equity and turning it into a bluff.

You have good relative position and, assuming things don't get batshit crazy, will be able to see the turn for a good price/free.

One of Sklansky's fundamental principles is to not bet if you will throw up in your mouth if you get raised. If the board is 823r and you have A8 you can bet for value and if you get raised, it's not really a throw-up spot because you can safely assume UTG has you beat. This HH is a clear throw up spot because you have good equity vs. his range but you induced a shove and don't have the odds to call off.


Definetly true with 4 people in the pot a min raise would've equalled the same price as my full pot bet if everyone had called.

My thought was getting the price up incase I hit my draw though but I guess theres more than 1 way to skin a cat and i did open myself up for a shove.

There also was the other situation i just checked, would've been a better outcome in the hand since i ended up getting my card. I really need to buy a couple books but i have a certain budget i spend on poker and i'm edging towards winning more than losing but this is definetly spots where i need to improve and increase my winnings.


Thanks... Your helping more than u know.


P.s I use to tend to play it as a bluff so when ppl just kept calling as they usually do, i can stack off... But it can get expensive when you do miss your draws and ofc you miss draws more than get them... So it's definetly not the right way to go. Multi way pots anyways.
 
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bgomez89 is right, you can't squeeze agro fishs, it needs patience on this kind of table...
 
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because squeezing/calling pre when youre in the worst position, at a table full of aggro fish, with a speculative hand is terrible...



It's terrible only if your a nit.:p
 
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