Originally Posted by IPlay
Raising limpers does not boost your 3bet%
That is increased when you raise the raiser.....
So yeah, please stop. Like I said, in 2NL people will shove all in with top pair on that board, folding would be very -EV.
why don't you try reading what i actually said. I said that his 3bet% MAY be getting skewed BECAUSE he may have been raising limpers a lot which would give the 36/32 stats but would mean that he would have very few opportunities to 3bet.
3betting 2 out of 6 opportunities over 67 hands is 33% just the same as 15 out of 45 opportunities is 33% 3bet and illustrate the sample size issues skewing the 3bet%. the 2 out of 6 opportunities may have been AA vs KK and QQ vs AK which is a perfectly understandable 3betting situation with % being skewed to seem to be high because of sample size.
The chance of him getting premium hands 15 out of 45 times though if his opponents had been raising initially giving him more opportunities to 3bet are much less likely making him far more likely to be 3betting wide. This is the sample size issue skewing his apparent stats that i was referring to and explained initially which could be caused if he is on a passive table with a lot of people limping into the pot and he then isolates them by raising. he never gets the opportunity to 3bet so a couple of 3bets with premium hands could make him seem to be 3betting wide and could make his vpip/pfr appear to be aggressive instead of reflecting that he could be exploiting their limping.
did you read my initial post ?
Originally Posted by Keith
Having given up initiative pre flop , why donk bet the flop? Is his flop shove typical of the way he has been playing in his other 3bet pots? if its typical i'd reluctantly call since he's been doing this with weak hands . If not and i'd checked the flop and he shoves i could find a fold as he's playing differently.
HUD stats are great , but you have to allow for sample size issues and also general play at the table and reads.If this guy is a maniac 3betting wide and reraising like crazy then it s a call. if this is a passive table and its a decent player exploiting the limpers then his stats will be giving a false impression of his ranges.