$2 NLHE 6-max: 3-bet pot: good board to slowplay AA?

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Considered check/shoving the turn. No idea what line is best.

poker stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2185936
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BB: $3.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.5, hands: 75
UTG: $1.66 - VPIP: 34, PFR: 31, 3B: 20, AF: 5.0, Hands: 35
CO: $2.05 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 13, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 15
BTN: $1.98 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 9, 3B: 9, AF: 2.0, Hands: 68
Hero (SB): $2.01 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 12, 3B: 5, AF: 3.6, Hands: 391978

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A
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A
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1 fold, CO raises to $0.08, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.28, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.58) 8
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2
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T
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Hero checks, CO bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.18) 5
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Hero checks, CO bets $0.58, Hero calls $0.58

River: ($2.34) J
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Hero checks, CO bets $0.89, Hero calls $0.85 all in
 
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I'm leading out on or check-raising that flop every time, prefer leading out for 40c as there are so many calling stations at 2nl.
 
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Dunno, pot bets get loads of folds and half pot is what happens anyway and there are like no draws here.

That being said I can just see villain holding TJs, probably hearts :D
 
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I am not a fan of slow play, i lost a few times with AA because of that, but i belive that, if you were all in on the turn he would call anyway because he was betting too much. you had over pair but he could have 2 pairs next time, if you are play slowly, you are giving the chance for you opponent increase that hand, in my opinion of course.
 
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What is it about this player that would lead you to slow play a 1 pair hand? We have very little hands on him but so far his AF is 0.0?

Stacks are such that you definitely want to shove over his turn bet as played, and hope you weren't out flopped. Would prefer to cbet flop for something close to pot however otf so that you can simply shove the turn.

Dunno, pot bets get loads of folds and half pot is what happens anyway

Then you'd bet more often with weaker hands, not bet less often with stronger hands.
 
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What is it about this player that would lead you to slow play a 1 pair hand? We have very little hands on him but so far his AF is 0.0?

Stacks are such that you definitely want to shove over his turn bet as played, and hope you weren't out flopped. Would prefer to cbet flop for something close to pot however otf so that you can simply shove the turn.



Then you'd bet more often with weaker hands, not bet less often with stronger hands.


Say we lead flop for near pot. Which is my normal line. What do we do if we get raised?
 
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Say we lead flop for near pot. Which is my normal line. What do we do if we get raised?

Shovel it!! It's 2nl, it's a 3bet pot, you're not deep and his stats look a little fishy, albeit with a very small sample size
 
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Yeah. I wasn't letting go. If we are never folding then why not get value from his hands that aren't willing to call?


Granted my line sucks. I think I prefer X/C X/R to just leading against all but the most passive players though.
 
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Dunno man I don't like checking the flop, you miss too much value if he checks back (edit: and risk him making 2 pair, set or straight). If you're worried he'll fold too much then you can cbet smaller, like 1/2 pot, which he might interpret as weak. 1/2 pot bet on all streets here would get stacks in by the river.
 
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Would you check flop with AK here? just a thought.
 
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Plenty of gutshots, Tens, 8s, flush draws, floats and even bluff raises to benefit from by betting, checking here is horrible.
 
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All right I play horribly. Just sick of my same old bet/bet/bet until raised strategy that sees me only get my money in badly. I was going to lose the hand whatever line I took.


However if I bet flop, and get min-raised. Am I calling to keep bluffs in and X/shoving turn or am I shoving over his flop raise?
 
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Just bet half-pot on all streets.

It doesn't matter if you won or lost. What you should be trying to accomplish after the hand is not how to avoid getting stacked because he outflopped you but how to maximize value against his whole range.
 
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Yeah that is why I'm asking what we would do if min-raised on this flop.
 
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Yeah that is why I'm asking what we would do if min-raised on this flop.
SPR is less than 4. Never fold regardless of what he does. Bet the flop. If raised, shove. If there are still $$s left on the turn just shove the rest in. EZ game.

BTW if he's set mining here you won your $$s preflop regardless of if he hit or not.
 
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Yeah that is why I'm asking what we would do if min-raised on this flop.

Comes down to the range you put him on. If he only ever raises flop with sets and maybe a T8s or something you can safely fold ofc, but we don't know nearly enough about this player to say with certainty he doesn't have an over pair or even an AT or w/e. Also depends a bit on your bet sizing otf, as a larger bet to maximize your value makes calling/jamming a very simple decision against a flop raise (pot odds, SPR, etc) whereas ½ pot makes it a little more awkward when a player who seems passive puts in a raise once you 3bet pre. I still advise getting it in against a flop raise regardless of the bet size because with even a single hand in his range here you're actually ahead of (say JJ for instance) it becomes a mistake to fold at any point.
 
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I call a raise on the flop to let him bluff more, not many cards we're scared off and I think J9s generally flats.
 
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