$2 NLHE 6-max: 2nl top pair multiway turn fold

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PokerStars - $0.02 Ante $0.01 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 411 BB (VPIP: 39.30, PFR: 25.10, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, hands: 532)
MP: 187.5 BB (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
CO: 519.5 BB (VPIP: 37.98, PFR: 24.27, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 460)
BTN: 306 BB (VPIP: 36.52, PFR: 25.65, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 239)
Hero (SB): 256.5 BB
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.42, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.5 BB) Hero has J:spade: K:spade:

UTG raises to 6.5 BB, MP calls 6.5 BB, CO calls 6.5 BB, BTN calls 6.5 BB, Hero calls 6 BB, fold

Flop: (36.5 BB, 5 players) 5:heart: J:diamond: 9:diamond:
Hero bets 26 BB, fold, MP calls 26 BB, CO calls 26 BB, fold

Turn: (114.5 BB, 3 players) Q:club:
Hero checks, MP bets 15 BB, CO calls 15 BB, Hero
 
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Don't call OOP... 3bet or fold pre.
 
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Don't call OOP... 3bet or fold pre.
This doesn't necessarily apply, we have relative position, so we will act last if the original raiser bets the flop. And KJs plays well multiway, with many paths to a near nut hand.

I do like squeezing though, so either way. Kinda depends on how UTG plays postflop. The less he folds to cbets & 3-bets, the less I want to squeeze.

Check the flop. Top pair is not a great hand, we give up relative position when we bet, and that board is super drawy (many bad turns, flop semi bluff raises).

Turn fold is a bit nitty, but probably best. Our outs are dirty, and we're likely behind. Check/raising would be fun, as neither player is that strong, but I don't trust these guys to fold a pair+draw type hand, much less Qx.
 
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I do know of relative position but never thought of it as in SB position.
 
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I have been introducing 3-bets into my pre-flop game much more. My 3-bet strategy is directly verbatim from the strategy articles. From the blinds I will 3-bet KJ all day long. So I would have 3-bet pre 20BB. That would have knocked out all but 1 most likely, if not all. Then on the flop our 1/2 bet would have taken it down. This whole 3-betting pre has been a game changer. I don't deal with tough decisions post flop anymore because I let in loose villians with suited connectors and unpaired high cards. And if they 4-bet me wide I shove it in. They usually fold, but if they call I have a huge lead on their wide range. Loose usually folds thought o a 5-bet shove. No more post flop hard decisions, it's been awesome! I mean why are you even using your HUD? Your villians are at 40% and 80%VPIP 3-bet the crap out of them with KJ!!!
 
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I do know of relative position but never thought of it as in SB position.

It's because you won't have it if BB calls.

It's a fold pre-flop. A lot of deeper fish in that pot, so I dont mind a call too much, but this is just one of those hands OOP that you're rarely winning a big pot. IP, different story. I think until you're more confident in your post flop play you should be 3-betting or folding this pre - and in this case I like a squeeze because it looks like UTG is opening a little too much, and you have a high possibility of getting this hands HU's vs the fish in MP.
 
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for me this is a fold, you will not get paid in most times here, so it is to expensive to gamble on your hand
 
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3bet pre. Call turn as played.
 
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It's because you won't have it if BB calls.

It's a fold pre-flop. A lot of deeper fish in that pot, so I dont mind a call too much, but this is just one of those hands OOP that you're rarely winning a big pot. IP, different story. I think until you're more confident in your post flop play you should be 3-betting or folding this pre - and in this case I like a squeeze because it looks like UTG is opening a little too much, and you have a high possibility of getting this hands HU's vs the fish in MP.

I can tell you from absolute exp that his statement is true. when Someone pointed this out as a leak to me i checkked my database, and sure enough i was only losing money flaTTING THESE KIND OF B-WAYS OOP
 
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You completly OOP, don't call, with only one pair, looks weak holdin' vs 2 opponents, mb you sholud fold JK when UTG did raise - but i'm not sure actually
 
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Definitely 3bet or fold. Personally folding due to how many have called and it's too likely to get messy postflop - wouldn't be confident enough playing 4 opponents post. Just 2 opponents pre with those kinds of stats would be much easier to 3bet and play with confidence.
 
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