$2 NLHE 6-max: 2NL: Second Nuts

Hey guys, what do you think of this hand?

Standard steal, standard c-bet that turned into second nut flush. When I got check raised on the turn and villain cbet the river I wasn't sure if I should raise or just call - or even fold, though I don't think I'd ever fold.

Thanks!

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122 BB
SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 16.83, PFR: 10.89, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, hands: 103)
BB: 146 BB (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 24)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 27.35, PFR: 19.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 118)
CO: 254 BB (VPIP: 11.54, PFR: 3.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4<font color='black'>♠</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 8<font color='black'>♣</font> K<font color='black'>♠</font> A<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Turn: (10.5 BB, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♠</font>
BB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, BB raises to 13 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

River: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
BB bets 18.5 BB, Hero calls 18.5 BB

BB shows 3<font color='black'>♠</font> 3<font color='red'>♥</font> (Two Pair, Nines and Threes)
(Pre 52%, Flop 46%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 4<font color='black'>♠</font> J<font color='black'>♠</font> (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 48%, Flop 54%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 71 BB

These spots you cant get scared. You lose value by being scared

You can re-raise river, sure he'll have the house but theres so many other hands he'll call you with and you get your value.

3betting the river here would be horrendous.

I think it's close between calling and folding. I don't blame you for calling but I think I'd fold. Turn check/minraise and river lead is nutted so often it's not even funny!

Horrendous??? ... We definetly still beat plenty of hands he'd bet with.

9x hands, lower flushes, 2 pair hands with A

If he had a set on the flop he would've re-raised.

Really his sets are diminished so we aren't worried unless he wakes up with 88.. we cant put him on 99 since 2 on the board, i'm not saying it cant happen but chances are lowered.

AA or KK would've re-raised.

Considering the turn check-raise and cbet river, I was worried he had the Q-flush, which is why I didn't raise and folding with the J-flush was out, so I called.

board pairing makes river a bit tougher. But think 4betting turn is fine for more value. and then checking behind river.

Aces2w1n said:

Horrendous??? ... We definetly still beat plenty of hands he'd bet with.

9x hands, lower flushes, 2 pair hands with A

If he had a set on the flop he would've re-raised.

Really his sets are diminished so we aren't worried unless he wakes up with 88.. we cant put him on 99 since 2 on the board, i'm not saying it cant happen but chances are lowered.

AA or KK would've re-raised.

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What worse hands would legitimately call (assuming the villain isn't beyond awful and just calling with any piece whatsoever?)

I think when our 3bet gets called, we're going to lose way more often than we win and sometimes, we're going to get jammed on too, which would not be good news for us either.

You need to 3-bet the turn unless you have some specific reason not to. Also, with the stack sizes, you should be raising the river. I'd assume if he boated up and was CR the turn he'd bet the river bigger, so it's an important key sign you should remember that your opponents hand range is likely a lot weaker (ie he has a flush and is scared of board pairing). And since there's a lot of lower flushes he can have that make sense here 9T, 67, 97, etc.. and only a Qs flush that beats you, you should raise for value.

RegiTime said:

What worse hands would legitimately call (assuming the villain isn't beyond awful and just calling with any piece whatsoever?)

I think when our 3bet gets called, we're going to lose way more often than we win and sometimes, we're going to get jammed on too, which would not be good news for us either.

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There's no way for hero to 3-bet the river btw... but yes, sometimes you're going to lose if you raise here. That's not how you should be approaching these situations though.

You shall xr the river

John A said:

You need to 3-bet the turn unless you have some specific reason not to. Also, with the stack sizes, you should be raising the river. I'd assume if he boated up and was CR the turn he'd bet the river bigger, so it's an important key sign you should remember that your opponents hand range is likely a lot weaker (ie he has a flush and is scared of board pairing). And since there's a lot of lower flushes he can have that make sense here 9T, 67, 97, etc.. and only a Qs flush that beats you, you should raise for value.

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Thanks for this, I like the idea of 3betting the turn. I think at the time I didn't want to scare him off and by calling I thought I could induce a cbet on the river, but now I think that leaves a lot of value off the table.

When i went through this hand i thought you were slow playing on the turn and then i see there is no raise on the river !!

The board pairing does not make in a difference here after villain raised us on the turn and we should always be raising on the river for value as our hand will most likely be best. A bit too cautious u were.