$2 NLHE 6-max: $2 NLHE 6-max: Blind v. Blind regardless of results did I play flop inncorrect?

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$2 NLHE 6-max: $2 NLHE 6-max: Blind v. Blind regardless of results did I play flop inncorrect?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 41/37/10

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 133 BB (VPIP: 47.44, PFR: 2.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 80)
BTN: 67 BB (VPIP: 19.30, PFR: 16.07, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 59)
SB: 223.5 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 37.04, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
Hero (BB): 169 BB
UTG: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:club: 4:club:

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 6 BB, SB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (20 BB, 2 players) 5:diamond: 3:spade: 2:club:
SB bets 14 BB, Hero raises to 61 BB, SB raises to 213.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 98 BB and is all-in

Turn: (338 BB, 2 players) T:club:

River: (338 BB, 2 players) 2:diamond:

SB shows 8:heart: 8:club: (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)
(Pre 81%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 6:club: 4:club: (Straight, Six High)
(Pre 19%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 321.5 BB

5 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
 
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fold pre and fold to the reraise pre ... you lucked out on the flop but 64s vs a 4bet is not a long term profitable strategy.
 
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I disagree with you in this situation Blind v. Blind. I would not 3B this hand to an EP open for the most part. Maybe if it was from a V that I had alot of history with and knew alot about his/her play. But I like the 3b and flat here even if i didnt smash flop
 
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I think it is totally fine to defend your BB against a min raise from the SB with 64s. The odds are just too good to fold.
But I would rather just call and realize my equity than 3betting with a hand this weak. You can use alot better hands to 3bet bluff like 87s, 76s or even 65s. 64s is just a little bit to weak I think but it is not terrible. When you get 4bet with one of your weakest hand in your 3bet range you should usually fold but in this case I like the call since his 4bet is just too small to fold.
Overall I think your preflop play is too agressive but it is not terrible to have these kind of holdings in your range.

Post flop you get the nuts and he will never expect you to have 64. No need to analyze this since this is just easy from this point.
 
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Equity Win Tie
MP2 27.16% 26.89% 0.27% { 6c4c }
MP3 72.84% 72.57% 0.27% { 88+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }


You're a 3:1 dog against a typical 4bet range he could have in this situation. Whats the point in posting a hand for discussion if you just disregard anything said?
In fact to highlight how bad a play it is , if you put his 4bet range as every single combination possible , you are still a 3:2 dog against his range.
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 41.33% 38.48% 2.85% { 6c4c }
MP3 58.67% 55.81% 2.85% { random }

All you are doing is chucking money down the drain by making these sort of plays and seems like this hand should be in the brags section if you don't want to listen to advice.
 
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Hard not to clap cuz it worked.

But raising pre is bad... are we trying to fold out the fish when we have position.

Never folding pre here
 
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I meant no disrespect and I do listen to advice. And I appreciate your input, I just disagree with you on this. 64s isn't a strong hand and I am not bragging either. Preflop I like my play especially with what I had gathered about the Villain in this scenario. IMO it is not a bad hand to defend with B v. B, I think it is to weak to flat here especially and this was a bluff pre flop. I happened hit the nuts which is what you want particularly off a bluff. If his 4B was little larger would of folded but given the price I was getting I decided to see flop. My question is about post flop play and the best line to take when hitting the board so hard in this scenario
 
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But fish we will win his stack thats the diff.

Sharks and regs we will win a small pot

You played hand fine
 
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Call pre, I raise the flop small, 2.5x hoping not to scare him away with his over pairs.
 
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I meant no disrespect and I do listen to advice. And I appreciate your input, I just disagree with you on this. 64s isn't a strong hand and I am not bragging either. Preflop I like my play especially with what I had gathered about the Villain in this scenario.
you've got 27 hands on the guy and he has position on a loose passive fish so any decent player will be isolating that fish as much he can coupled with a nit in the big blind for his button steals . his stats on this table on such a small sample may not be representative of how he normally plays .
You imply you had reads on this guy , why not give them ?
IMO it is not a bad hand to defend with B v. B,
your hand is a dog to a range of any two cards and unlikely to flop top pairs, and usually worried about better flushs. its just a bad hand to defend with. if you raise as a bluff , when you get reraised why call? you have a hand unlikely to flop anything, 95% of the time there will be overcards on the flop
I think it is to weak to flat here especially and this was a bluff pre flop. I happened hit the nuts which is what you want particularly off a bluff.
No , you want him to fold to your bluffs otherwise you are burning money you just got very very lucky with the flop. Your 3bet bluffs should come from the top of your folding range, so that you strongest range will be 3bet for value , then you have your calling range which will have equity but too weak to 3bet , then your bluffs coming from the next strongest cards so that they still have decent equity when called.

You had a 1 in 1837 chance of flopping the nut straight
If his 4B was little larger would of folded but given the price I was getting I decided to see flop.
This is a classic reverse implied odds situation where the argument of it was only x more to call usually ends up costing much more than x as a result of flopping underpairs, draws etc under flushs
My question is about post flop play and the best line to take when hitting the board so hard in this scenario
There's not a lot to discuss about postflop as it virtually plays itself.
 
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I think calling here preflop instead of raising is much better because of the deepness of stacks. Most of the time you are gonna miss hard so I see no need to build the pot beforehand. It is easy to fold when missed but the upside is quite big, especially at NL2 because people tend to spaz out a lot like we see in this example.
The AF for me would be an important stat to look at when considering raising or calling on the flop. The opponent is really loose and think raising flop here is a good play to start building the pot and give more opportunities for the villain to spaz out. On the other hand his PFR ir ~37% which indicate agressiveness at least preflop, and if that agressiveness transitions to postflop then I would consider calling.
I would have raised less though(~37-45bbs), but it also depends on the history and patterns of your opponent.
 
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Wow, this thread. Calling is way worse than 3-betting pre against what is likely an overaggressive fish. I'd rank them fold > 3bet > call IP.

Against fish like this, you make your money pushing your edges preflop & on the flop. You're not getting a 40/37 to give up preflop often, certainly not the 65% you need to be profitable. Just fold preflop here.

The flop plays itself.
 
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Equity Win Tie
MP2 27.16% 26.89% 0.27% { 6c4c }
MP3 72.84% 72.57% 0.27% { 88+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }


You're a 3:1 dog against a typical 4bet range he could have in this situation. Whats the point in posting a hand for discussion if you just disregard anything said?
In fact to highlight how bad a play it is , if you put his 4bet range as every single combination possible , you are still a 3:2 dog against his range.
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Equity Win Tie
MP2 41.33% 38.48% 2.85% { 6c4c }
MP3 58.67% 55.81% 2.85% { random }

All you are doing is chucking money down the drain by making these sort of plays and seems like this hand should be in the brags section if you don't want to listen to advice.

but we only need 20% given his 4b pre and we are against a fish, IP. We don't call because we think we are ahead of someones range on a certain street. We call because we have the right pot odds vs their range.

I also think the 3b pre is fine with this hand. I think we can call or raise here, never folding to a min raise SB v BB with this hand.

I think it is totally fine to defend your BB against a min raise from the SB with 64s. The odds are just too good to fold.
But I would rather just call and realize my equity than 3betting with a hand this weak. You can use alot better hands to 3bet bluff like 87s, 76s or even 65s. 64s is just a little bit to weak I think but it is not terrible. When you get 4bet with one of your weakest hand in your 3bet range you should usually fold but in this case I like the call since his 4bet is just too small to fold.
Overall I think your preflop play is too agressive but it is not terrible to have these kind of holdings in your range.

Post flop you get the nuts and he will never expect you to have 64. No need to analyze this since this is just easy from this point.

As a general rule 64s gets 3b because it is near the bottom of our range and tougher to play post then a hand like 76s which plays good as a flat. Either way though I think we can 3b or call either of these hands in this spot.
 
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I would like 3 betting this hand versus villains that fold to 3 bets too much. Especially seeing how it is blind vs blind and you have position.

Calling the 4 bet is fine seeing how it's a min 4B and we are both deep stacked. I would prefer calling the flop bet and raising on the turn, but regardless you got it all in on the flop.

Well played sir.
 
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You there have a lot of luck, flop is correct all - in when you hit a straight, I also call all-in, but I don't call on pre on this cards, you have lucky :)
 
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If we are folding pre a hand like this against a lag fish min raise what are the hands we could get 3 streets of value from them? An obvious set of Aces,kings by betting huge? I don't think so.
If we connect with the board I mean.

I'd personally not 3 bet here but will flat likely. And wouldn't fold for a min raise with any decent hole cards either
 
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