$2 NLHE 6-max: $2 NLHE 6-max: Should I have 3Bet the flop with TPTK?

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Hey guys, this is my first time posting a hand analysis. Here, I am thinking that I should have 3Bet the flop with TPTK when the villain raised me, the pre-flop raiser, OOP. I hope I did this right and thanks for any feedback!


SB: 60.5 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 13)
BB: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 101 BB
BTN: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)


Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is CO with 8 :diamond: A :heart:
Hero raises, BTN calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop: (8 SB) 7 :heart: 5 :diamond: 8 :club: (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls, BTN calls
 
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How much did he bet? Because at the micros a small donk bet usually means weak pair or draw.im assuming villain is a fish given the donk bet. Do you have Hud stats on villain?
Given the flop texture and coming from the assumption that villain is a fish, I like to call here instead of a raise. Here's why: This texture smacks villain's range.If he has a draw, you're not going to make him fold by raising here on this board. If the board had a Broadway card and two unconnected low cards, then a raise here would've probably worked, but the board is connected and has low cards and Fish love to make their draws, even without the odds. Again the size of the bet is really useful here.If he bets like 1/4 or 1/3 of the pot, I'm calling and hoping to get to Showdown as cheaply as possible, unless he become really aggro on the turn or river. But if he's betting really strong here,like 2/3 or pot bet or so, I would fold, avoiding tough decisions for the next streets.
 
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You mean should you have raised on the flop instead of calling?

I need the bet sizing etc.
 
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Amount of bets/raises not present.

Surely, have to raise on the flop to weed out other opponents and see how SB reacts.
 
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sorry guys, I am still trying to figure out how to properly convert hand histories from poker tracker 4. The bet was 8BB

partypoker - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 60.5 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 101 BB
BTN: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 54.55, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:diamond: A:heart:

Hero raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) 7:heart: 5:diamond: 8:club:
SB bets 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 8 BB, BTN calls 8 BB

Turn: (32 BB, 3 players) 6:heart:
SB bets 30.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 30.5 BB

River: (93 BB, 2 players) 9:club:
SB bets 20 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 20 BB

SB shows 7:spade: A:club: (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 53%, Flop 18%, Turn 3%)
BTN shows 8:heart: 9:heart: (Straight, Nine High)
(Pre 47%, Flop 82%, Turn 97%)
SB wins 63 BB
BTN wins 63 BB
 
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definitely dont raise on the flop. In this case SB seems to be an aggrotard by donk betting 2nd pair into two players but this bet looks really strong and, given i have another player left to act who's also really loose and passive(i assume, given the gap between VPIP and PFR) I would fold. Raising in this particular situation with TPTK is just setting money on fire. in this case you had them both on flop, but more often than not you're behind in this spot.
 
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Regarding the SB is 4 betting the flop i would not even call here i think, because you even have a third player around, why should he bluff here, ok if you see the result he was behind you after flop but you could not know this, so for me its a fold postflop
 
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I was just thinking that the BTN was calling down light since he seems to be a somewhat passive player over the 11 hands that I have on him. I still don't get why I would fold if the player is either an aggrotard(wide range of hands) or very passive(same thing)?
 
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Amount of bets/raises not present.

Surely, have to raise on the flop to weed out other opponents and see how SB reacts.

Exactly what I was thinking. Raise and if I got 3Bet I would prolly have to fold. Nay?
 
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I think the main problem in this hand is pre.

I just don't get the minraise.
 
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I think I just raised to make the pot bigger. The opponents played a wide range of hands and I figured they'd miss most of the time so I could take the pot with a Cbet.
 
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