re: Poker & 2 Limit Hands
Originally Posted by Grumbledook
I would have folded the JJ early pos to a raise tbh.
The early raiser is a lagtard, though, so don't give him too much credit for a hand.
Seriously though, I don't like the coldcall with JJ. Calling here is never right (even if folding may be).
On the second hand, raise preflop. Since you didn't, you're in trouble on this flop: You don't have odds
to continue unimproved if you think he has a pair of jacks, so you actually need to consider folding here, getting only 6-1 in a fairly small pot. Having said that, I would almost always peel here since people continuation bet all over the place and you have a big bet in your implied odds purse to fall back on if you spike a king or an ace. But, you need to checkraise this turn - you have absolutely no reason to believe you're behind here - and like you said, it was your own problem with fearing the worst (KJ) that made you just call down. You need to get properly paid for your strong hands. It's possible that you still got the maximum from this guy, however, seeing as he bet all the way to the river, and there's a (small) risk that he would have folded to a turn checkraise.
But there is wisdom to be found here: With a proper read on this guy - saying that he will bet second pair but give up if he meets resistance - it's quite possible that you played this perfectly; but it doesn't count if you did it for the wrong reasons
. This is the quintessential problem with results orientation - you have to make the right decisions for the right reasons.
This hand may just as well have played out that you raised preflop, this JTs-guy may have called PF anyway and then raised you when you cont-bet the flop (which you should call, getting 8-1), then you can checkraise him on the turn when you spike your king, and valuebet him on the river. In this not-so-far-fetched scenario, you would have made two more big bets in this pot than you did now. Of course, now I'm
the one being results-oriented; you can see the dangers lurking with this kind of thinking.
Limping UTG with a strong hand is only okay if you have loose and aggressive players behind you who will raise preflop often (giving you a chance to re-raise PF), but this is usually done with KK or AA.