Genso Hikki
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Silver Level
I had a friendly cash game last night, and there are two hands I would like some help analyzing. The first hand I was involved in; the second one my boyfriend played. We've been having some lively discussions about how we played these hands versus how the other thinks they should have been played. I'd like to get some other opinions.
First hand: (blinds are .50, 1.00)
UTG (stack size approx. $30.00) raises to $3.00
Small Blind (stack size apprx. $25.00) raises to $6.00
Big Blind (you're friendly hero, my stack size was approx. $50.00) gets dealt pocket aces and I raise to $9.00
UTG call. Small blind raises to $12.00
Now, at this point I'm thinking a) I have the best hand and b) I'd rather play my aces heads up than against two players. I raise all-in.
UTG calls instantly. SB thinks for a while then also calls.
Cards are:
UTG - Q, Q
SM - 2,2
BB (hero) -A, A
Flop: 7,4,Q rainbow
Turn: 9
River: 2
So the pocket queens take the pot.
Now, my boyfriend said I made a huge mistake here. He said I should have known with all that raise calling that both would call my all in. He seems to think I could have saved myself some money if I had only called the last raise instead of shoving. He believes I could have put one of my opponents on a high pocket pair and folded after the queen hit on the flop. I still maintain that shoving and trying to get at least one of them to lay down their hand was a proper move.
Second Hand:
Everyone folds pre-flop except the SB and the BB (BB is my boyfriend).
Flop comes:
Js, 9H, Jc
SB bets (stack approx. $100.00) $3.00
BB raises (stack around $50.00) to $6.00
SB calls
Turn:
7H
SB checks.
BB bets $15.00
SB calls
River 2H
SB checks
BB pushes all-in
SB calls
Cards are SB, J,10 BB J,4
I believe that after the call on the turn, my boyfriend should have started entertaining the possibility that he was beat. Not only was there the chance that the other guy had a jack with a better kicker, but there was also the chance of a pocket nines or pocket sevens. We play with the SB a lot, and he's tight enough that he's not going to call a $12.00 bet without a damn good hand. The river shove to me was a very bad idea because a) it's very possible boyfriend was already beat on the turn and b) the SB had enough money to lose that pot and still walk away from the table with a nice little profit so I don't see him laying it down if he got a good piece of the board. My boyfriend argues that he was trying to represent a boat or a flush. I don't believe representing a flush was advisable because it came runner, runner and there's really not much of a chance the SB would put him on two hearts. He said he did know he was beat and figured the only way he could win the pot was to bet the SB off his hand.
So, who's right and who's wrong? Both? Neither? I'd appreciate any insight as we've been arguing about this all morning.
First hand: (blinds are .50, 1.00)
UTG (stack size approx. $30.00) raises to $3.00
Small Blind (stack size apprx. $25.00) raises to $6.00
Big Blind (you're friendly hero, my stack size was approx. $50.00) gets dealt pocket aces and I raise to $9.00
UTG call. Small blind raises to $12.00
Now, at this point I'm thinking a) I have the best hand and b) I'd rather play my aces heads up than against two players. I raise all-in.
UTG calls instantly. SB thinks for a while then also calls.
Cards are:
UTG - Q, Q
SM - 2,2
BB (hero) -A, A
Flop: 7,4,Q rainbow
Turn: 9
River: 2
So the pocket queens take the pot.
Now, my boyfriend said I made a huge mistake here. He said I should have known with all that raise calling that both would call my all in. He seems to think I could have saved myself some money if I had only called the last raise instead of shoving. He believes I could have put one of my opponents on a high pocket pair and folded after the queen hit on the flop. I still maintain that shoving and trying to get at least one of them to lay down their hand was a proper move.
Second Hand:
Everyone folds pre-flop except the SB and the BB (BB is my boyfriend).
Flop comes:
Js, 9H, Jc
SB bets (stack approx. $100.00) $3.00
BB raises (stack around $50.00) to $6.00
SB calls
Turn:
7H
SB checks.
BB bets $15.00
SB calls
River 2H
SB checks
BB pushes all-in
SB calls
Cards are SB, J,10 BB J,4
I believe that after the call on the turn, my boyfriend should have started entertaining the possibility that he was beat. Not only was there the chance that the other guy had a jack with a better kicker, but there was also the chance of a pocket nines or pocket sevens. We play with the SB a lot, and he's tight enough that he's not going to call a $12.00 bet without a damn good hand. The river shove to me was a very bad idea because a) it's very possible boyfriend was already beat on the turn and b) the SB had enough money to lose that pot and still walk away from the table with a nice little profit so I don't see him laying it down if he got a good piece of the board. My boyfriend argues that he was trying to represent a boat or a flush. I don't believe representing a flush was advisable because it came runner, runner and there's really not much of a chance the SB would put him on two hearts. He said he did know he was beat and figured the only way he could win the pot was to bet the SB off his hand.
So, who's right and who's wrong? Both? Neither? I'd appreciate any insight as we've been arguing about this all morning.