$2/4 FLHE Full Ring: Live 2/4 FLHE at Mohegan Sun Putting on the breaks with AA?

$2/4 FL HE Full Ring: Live 2/4 FL HE at Mohegan Sun Putting on the breaks with AA?

I get AA in late mid position, I raise. The guy immediately to my left makes it 3 bets we get 3 other people who come along, all who were already in for one bet, I cap, everyone calls, 5 to the flop.

Flop 567 with 2 hearts. I fire the flop, get raised by the guy to my left, I know he has KK or the other two A's for a fact by this point by his comments, everyone cold calls the 2 bets. I don't bother to raise, because everyone has all the odds they need, and I can trap 2 bets or more off everyone on the turn.

Turn 8, I die a little inside, I check as was the original plan. I knew KK was firing or raising, but making them cold call 2 still gave them their odds if they were drawing, and no one was folding any made hand/draw anyway. KK fires, everyone calls again, i just call him figuring someone has a straight or 2 pair by now. As I call one guy calls out for a heart, so only 2 mystery players left I guess.

River, J no flush draw made it, I check to my KK pal, he fires like he already telegraphed, 2 callers including the guy who asked for a heart, so I call and thow up my AA.

This was my 5th hand, but it was a loose cally table with no fewer than 5 to any flop so far even when raised. Was slowing down a good idea against the field? or should I be shoveling in money with this holding?

Sorry for the redundent title, didn't realize it'd insert the game description for me.

I like that you thought about *when* to bet based on your field, that's good.

What I don't understand is why checking the turn is your original plan on a cally table? IMO, you have two options with this hand starting with the decision to three bet the flop:

1. 3-bet the flop, getting two more bets from each player and then fire the turn hoping that the guy to your left raises and shuts everyone out of the hand

2. Call the flop raise, fire the turn and hope he shuts them out

In my mind the only variable is will the guy to my left still raise the turn if I 3-bet the flop. If so, ramma jamma, baby. Otherwise I'll call it, donk the turn, and smile smugly to myself as he raises.

In live low-limit hold 'em people will call any street with any damn thing. The *only* way to get your run of the mill live 2/4 donkey off a hand is facing two on the turn or river, and even then they'll call gutshots. Ask me how I know.

although it sounds tight, im check folding the flop. Almost half the deck is brings a bad card for u and u have to dodge on two streets against multiple opponents. when the 8 falls putting 5 6 7 8 on board, u can beat absolutely nothing. Dont get drawn in by pots odds or the fact that its only $4 into a huge pot. Ur (99% of the time) drawing dead.

Sysvr4 said:

I like that you thought about *when* to bet based on your field, that's good.

What I don't understand is why checking the turn is your original plan on a cally table? IMO, you have two options with this hand starting with the decision to three bet the flop:

1. 3-bet the flop, getting two more bets from each player and then fire the turn hoping that the guy to your left raises and shuts everyone out of the hand

2. Call the flop raise, fire the turn and hope he shuts them out

In my mind the only variable is will the guy to my left still raise the turn if I 3-bet the flop. If so, ramma jamma, baby. Otherwise I'll call it, donk the turn, and smile smugly to myself as he raises.

In live low-limit hold 'em people will call any street with any damn thing. The *only* way to get your run of the mill live 2/4 donkey off a hand is facing two on the turn or river, and even then they'll call gutshots. Ask me how I know.

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Thanks for the feedback, results to come later tonight, since they want me waiting 24hrs. I hear what you're saying about getting in chips like a fiend, but the reasoning agiainst it ties back to your own statements.

I don't bother 3betting the flop because it will get in, in all likelihood the equivalent of 1 large bet from each opponent, and quite possibly stop KK from raising my turn bet. The pot has grown at this point to something where no one is folding anything, and frankly shouldn't, so making it 2 cold to them on the turn, or 2 more after 2 are in on the flop will not fold out any kind of draw, or even probably overs.

Given this I plan to check the turn knowing that with that plan I am getting that 1 large bet missed on the flop from each opponent in the pot when KK bets, and I get the option to raise him making it another 1 or 3 large bets depending on if he raises me(because I'd obviously cap it if I were going for it). Then disaster on the 4 straight board and I have to reassess. I change into thinking get to showdown cheap, and maybe running if theres a lot of heat from someone who isn't holding KK.

Luckily the only action for the hand thats not me comes from KK so I don't have to ditch out, which is something I'd agree with if there was much pressure coming from anyone else. I'd have called a single bet on the river from someone else in the field simply on odds, and because I figure there's no way KK is raising after me to that action. I don't like that call, but I didn't know the people well enough to know if they were capable of being full of shit, and in a pot that size, I'll pay 4 bucks before I know whats up.

This is why I hate LHE...especially 2/4..You are almost never good on that river. By the looks of it one of the cold caller has a 4 or a 9 atleast and if you won this had with just AA lolz to Mohegans low stakes limit players. I play 1/2-5/10NL at Mohegan and just chopped a tourney on Wednesday at Mohegan. My advice to you is start grinding the daily tournaments..You can win some serious money.

I had KK read perfectly as it turns out, and the guy who called for his heart wasn't lying, though for some reason he called the river with air? The other guy had some crap pair. I just cannot decide if i was putting on the brakes smartly, or if i cost myself some bets in there. I am still thinking it was pretty borderline, anyone got something to push me one way or the other?

I dont know how big the betting was but the way you were playing that hand and with that kind of board,I would also have kept the pot as small as possible.

There are so many hands that can beat u and with the amount of draws out there Keep it small.

You must of had some sort of read on the other 2 players so well done to u if that is true but i personaly would have folded with the info that u gave me that board is way to scary for me just to call down.

Well done and good luck

Lazmansa

IveGot0uts said:

I don't bother 3betting the flop because it will get in, in all likelihood the equivalent of 1 large bet from each opponent, and quite possibly stop KK from raising my turn bet

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If you think he doesn't raise your turn bet, then I agree with your flop call. Getting him to put two cold to the rest of the field on the turn should be your primary goal after he raises the flop.

Given this I plan to check the turn knowing that with that plan I am getting that 1 large bet missed on the flop from each opponent in the pot when KK bets

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Here's what your plan breaks down. You want everyone to make a *bad* call not a good one. If you check, he bets, they call one (with odds), then you raise, he calls, they call (with odds), that doesn't help you much. On the other hand, if you bet, he raises, and some of the donkeys either fold or call without odds, that's how you make money.

Your plan up to the turn is solid. Oh, and whoever said fold this flop should quit limit hold 'em immediately.

Sysvr4 said:

Here's what your plan breaks down. You want everyone to make a *bad* call not a good one. If you check, he bets, they call one (with odds), then you raise, he calls, they call (with odds), that doesn't help you much. On the other hand, if you bet, he raises, and some of the donkeys either fold or call without odds, that's how you make money.

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I'd love to make people make calls without odds, but the pot is so large they have odds for any damn thing even for 2 big bets cold. And we can agree that they're going to make mistakes and call without odds, so they sure aren't folding when they're getting them.

I think you should not suck at poker, man up, and throw some chips in that pot there. As long as you have 20% pot equity or higher, every dollar going in makes you money.

See you at the sun


P.S. This is why you shouldn't ever go there without me

Yeah, so all the NL got me thinking HU style for my postflop play and I fogot that I can be giving someone else the best of it and myself when there's 2 million callers coming along. So in conclusion I was a jackass who cost himself roughly 48 dollars on this hand, and probably somewhere in the area of 12-20 in EV.

And to the dude who sounds like he wants to be my prom date, there's no head room under those tables, not worth it.

This thread is making me hate LHE. I've never played it, but from your description it sounds so bad. 4 other players in a flop with your aces? You can't expect to earn money with that type of structure. I think you played it fine. Check fold the turn.

BenLZ said:

This thread is making me hate LHE. I've never played it, but from your description it sounds so bad. 4 other players in a flop with your aces? You can't expect to earn money with that type of structure.

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Hmmm, if making +EV decisions doesn't make you money, then good luck. Oh wait, that just means you play on Full-freaking-Tilt.

Seriously though, this was an extremely profitable scenario. You can expect to, and will make lots of money in this spot.

IveGot0uts said:

there's no head room under those tables, not worth it.

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Damn......

Mase31683 said:

Hmmm, if making +EV decisions doesn't make you money, then good luck. Oh wait, that just means you play on Full-freaking-Tilt.

Seriously though, this was an extremely profitable scenario. You can expect to, and will make lots of money in this spot.

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Playing AA with 4 other callers is suicide.

I just want to add in that you should never play 2/4 limit in a live casino. There is almost no way you can beat the rake. Only time I would play 2/4 is if the room has a bad beat jackpot that is really high.

FYI billie, you can bitchslap the hell out of the rake.