1st hand of a session: AK

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I took your advice this time, JL ;) :)
 

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You got to love the kicker (when you have it)! Nice win, Chuck!
 
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Could you explain your rationale for the check on the river?

The way I see it, I would have put him on a Ax hand or high pocket pair. Ugh actually man, I don't like the way you played this. I probably would have raised the flop, and turn as well. Then aggain I like to play aggressive ;)

So yeah, lemme know what you were thinking here please :)
 
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spore said:
Could you explain your rationale for the check on the river?

The way I see it, I would have put him on a Ax hand or high pocket pair. Ugh actually man, I don't like the way you played this. I probably would have raised the flop, and turn as well. Then aggain I like to play aggressive ;)

So yeah, lemme know what you were thinking here please :)

Not sure why you're criticizing here Spore. I would assume he checked on the river after seeing 2 jacks. I think a better question would be how would you have responded to a bet by the other player Chuck
 
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The thing with raising on the river is that you'd mainly get called if you're beat, so apart from possibly getting paid off for a small bet, you're risking money with little likelihood of a payoff. Also, an aggressive player may well check-raise on the river to try to get maximum value from their hand, and you don't want to be calling a big bet at this point. Much safer to just check at this point, in my opinion.
 
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JL's advice was to check on the river with medium strength hands.
I have TPTK but this guy was really betting hard into me.
I wasn't sure what i put him on, and that's why I was calling and not raising.
I figured if my AK was good, then his big bets were enough of a payment for my TPTK.
If my AK wasn't good (maybe he hit his Ax 2pr or hit a set) then i'd lose the minimum (aside from folding, which i'm never going to do here).

Just playing it safe.
 
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no, a calling station would be some donk calling with ace-8 off suit. this is a smart play, considering he coulda been up against trips, (though fairly unlikely), or two pair (even more unlikely given the pfr). 108$ for AKo is not bad in my book ;)
 
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Nice Hand :)

Had a similar hand the other day with AA - very 1st hand :eek::eek: picked up about $30-40 (.50/$1) sat back and grinned :D.

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Chuck, I see the rationale now. I still say a raise somewhere in there to find out where you're at in the hand would be a good idea. :)

With that big of a raise pre-flop I wouldn't put him on A2 or A4, I woiuld've raised the flop. Then again when the J came, I might've played it like you did. AJ is certainly a possibility.

I don't know if I really like the call all the way with medium-strength hands theory. But, something to "stick in my pipe and smoke" as they say. lol
 
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The theory isn't calling all the way with medium strength hands. It's check the river with medium strenght hands.
My calling down was pretty passive, and looking back i too would've preferred a flop raise then villain would probably check the turn and i'd put in another bet. Either way i don't think i played it wrong, but i could have played it better.
 
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Ahh, I should've read closer. So yeah checking the river with medium-strength hands is a decent play (especially with position). That negates the opponents ability to check-raise if they did have a big hand. Makes sense. I'm gonna make sure I have two pair against you if you just call all the way down now. lol
 
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spore said:
I don't know if I really like the call all the way with medium-strength hands theory. But, something to "stick in my pipe and smoke" as they say. lol

I don´t like it either. Calling down to the river is a bad move in my opinion. I just said that generally in the river you have to check with medium strength hands because if you bet you´ll only get called (or raised) by a better hand (unless you have seen your opponent calling with crap, but since this is the 1st hand, you don´t have that information).
I think that your river check was good. A single pair isn´t good enough to fight a big pot. You may tell me that you missed some money because of your river check, but i still think it was right because in my opinion your opponent´s check in the river could meant 2 different things: He was slowplaying or he gave up and decided that your resistance was a signal that you had him beat. In the first situation you obviously want to check, and in the second one if you bet he´s probably going to fold. Actually if he was or not going to fold is an information that you are going to know afterwards, but as i said before, since this is the 1st hand you don´t have that information so the check was the correct move.
As a conclusion one of the exceptions to that rule is when you know that your opponent will call with a worse hand than your medium strength hand. In that case you can take advantage from him esecially on earlier streets.

Now in relation to the flop and turn calls, i have to say that i don´t like them. I can understand the turn call since a raise would take the pot out of control and you don´t want to do that with just a pair and no information, but what i don´t understand is your flop call. I think that the correct move was to make a raise, maybe 2.5 o 3 times his bet. You need to clarify if his flop bet was a continuation bet or not and also your raise is going to give you the control of the hand, which is great combined with position.
Anyway if you´re having a consistent profit and a great bankroll which is increasing more and more, it must mean that you´re doing the right moves, so don´t take so seriously my advices.
 
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i take your advice very seriously, JL
I'm still new to 2/4 and i think that i'm playing pretty well, but a big part of my recent success has been a result of the variance at these tables.
His post-flop bet was very large compared to what players usually put out.
Generally any post-flop bets are 1/2-pot sized. The only time someone puts out a bet that big is when they're bluffing or when it is obvious that the other player is on a draw and they want to stop the hand right there.
Another situation they bet that large a bet is when they have a monster.
That's why i cold-called. Strange for me...i usually raise in this position, but he acted unusually.
 
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no, a calling station would be some donk calling with ace-8 off suit.
I got you now, only donks are calling stations, nobody else like a passive player.

this is a smart play, considering he coulda been up against trips, (though fairly unlikely), or two pair (even more unlikely given the pfr).

Actually no, sb heads up vs the bb.. granted it was one heck of a raise pre-flop.(not really that bad actually..$14.00 into an $8.00 pot).Yet considering there was no-raise anywhere to find out what your opponent(the villian in this case) may or may not be holding. Then villian made a great pot bet on the flop and chuck called, again not trying to find out what villian has.


108$ for AKo is not bad in my book
True but it sure isn't the cats meow either, against almost any pocket pair(long term it is bad). Not to mention 1st hand, not knowing how anybody plays at the table without any raising going on with the AK. What would have chuck done if the ace hadn't flopped? Would he call the 2:1 bet then with 6 cards to come?

I can see why the villian checked on the river. Cause no matter how many continuation bets he made, you just weren't going to give the hand up.
 
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