Originally Posted by dj11
I still like my first reply.
Hands that someone with 24/7/1.8 might decide to get frisky with;
TT, 9Ts, JT, QT, all pp below TT.
He might fancy a bit of post flop shenanigns here.
Only hands that beat us at this moment are AA,QQ, JJ, or KT.
You say that villain might get frisky with hands such as j,t, q,t, low pp's (all the hands that we beat), so why would you suggest betting into them. That would reduce the chances of them getting 'frisky'. Surely if you want them to get 'frisky' you use the wa/wb concept and allow them to bet into you and keep them in the hand by calling. Check calling is the only way to get value from worse hands and keep the pot small agaisnt better hands.
Also we are beat by a,q, a,j and q,j aswell, all of which are in villains range
WAY to many people are suggesting to bet out for 'information'. basically saying, if you bet out, you will now if you are losing since you will get re raised. Well what if you are flat called, what do you do with your top pair on a junk turn? Bet out for 'information' again
Betting out for information causes 2 scenarios, it wins you the pot against hands you beat, and so loses value against the j,t low pp hands. Which all have the opportunity to bluff at the pot when checked to, thus increasing value.
Or your bet gets re raised or called by a hand that has you crushed, then you fold right.
So analyzing the 2 possibilities produces these results.
By leading out, we win the pot as it is against all the hands we beat, or we just give chips away to hands that crush us, (literally just giving the chips away).
By checking, we induce bluffs from hands we beat and enable us to keep the pot small against hands we dont
Im finding it really hard to explain why betting out gets all hands we beat to fold, while checking has the same effect as the pot size doesnt change and we still beat the hands we beat, but induce bluffs to increase value against these lesser hands.