NineLions
Advanced beginner
Silver Level
Thanks again to Tos for doing this.
fulltiltpoker Game #4463085820: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:21:18 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.85)
Seat 2: bolokstar ($1.70)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10)
Seat 4: KC_TRAIN ($5.75)
Seat 5: Chief2017 ($4.15)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($2.75)
Seat 7: NineLions ($9.50)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($9.40)
Seat 9: LesNessmann ($10.25)
Chief2017 posts the small blind of $0.05
lfigo85 has 5 seconds left to act
lfigo85 posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
Mith AU posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Jd Ac]
NineLions calls $0.10
Abatwa folds
LesNessmann folds
ExuTHoR folds
bolokstar folds
Mith AU checks
KC_TRAIN calls $0.10
Chief2017 calls $0.05
lfigo85 checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 3h 6s]
Chief2017 checks
lfigo85 bets $0.30
NineLions folds
Mith AU folds
KC_TRAIN folds
Chief2017 calls $0.30
-----Raise preflop. As played there is a good possibility that the Big Blind hit this flop. Agree with fold.-----
This is one of the things that I've been reviewing lately. According to the videos that I've been watching lately, AJ is a clear fold UTG. I couldn't bring myself to do this and chose the worst option; limping.
Folding AJ UTG, folding AT UTG + 1, raising all pairs after UTG, lots of 3-betting, not much calling preflop raises, that's where I'm trying to get to. At this level though, raising AJ UTG is probably fine. Limping is awful though.
FullTiltPoker Game #4463239290: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:35:06 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.65)
Seat 2: NickyP317 ($10.25)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10.15)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 ($7.75)
Seat 5: drachdudek ($1.85)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions ($8.65)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($13.60)
Seat 9: kodak05 ($4)
NineLions posts the small blind of $0.05
Abatwa posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Kh 8h]
ExuTHoR folds
NickyP317 folds
Mith AU folds
biggysmalls316 has 15 seconds left to act
biggysmalls316 folds
drachdudek folds
NineLions calls $0.05
Abatwa checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Qh]
NineLions bets $0.20
Abatwa raises to $0.70
NineLions calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [8s 2s Qh] Q♠
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 2s Qh Qs] 3♥
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Abatwa shows [Jd 2h] two pair, Queens and Twos
NineLions shows [Kh 8h] two pair, Queens and Eights
NineLions wins the pot ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.15
Board: [8s 2s Qh Qs 3h]
Seat 1: ExuTHoR didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: NickyP317 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Mith AU didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: drachdudek didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lfigo85 (button) is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions (small blind) showed [Kh 8h] and won ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: Abatwa (big blind) showed [Jd 2h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Twos
Seat 9: kodak05 is sitting out
-----I'm trying not to be results oriented, but, after seeing the flop reraise call, I was hoping to see you bet the turn for about half pot and take this down. I don't mind playing this passively since there is a good chance that we are behind, but, I like to find this out by betting. This does a couple of things:
a) We are repping at least a pair of Queens and if the player is good they might see this as KK or AA.
b) We are likely faced with calling villains bet on a later street and it will be difficult to call since we have no reason to believe that he would double barrel with air.
I'm not saying that your play is incorrect here. I only make the above play about half the time, but you should have it in your playbook.-----
Agreed. It's in my playbook. I don't remember the situation in terms of time at the table or reads on the player. I probably play this situation the way I did about 75% of the time at this level at FT, including calling anything less than a 1/2 pot bet on the river, or sometimes pot overbets on the river just because it's a weak hand in a limped pot so I don't want to build the pot.
I think I have too much of a tendency to let the person who raises me on the flop take control of the hand on the turn. I think one stab OOP on the turn here is not a bad idea.
FullTiltPoker Game #4463480257: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:57:31 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($4.75)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10.90)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.10)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.85)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($4.85)
Seat 6: Elaleph ($9.25)
Seat 7: Bizaxta ($1.85)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($12.25)
Seat 9: jenfur ($9.95)
jenfur posts the small blind of $0.05
ArkanSeb posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Th Ad]
BrushCakes calls $0.10
Abatwa raises to $0.30
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
Elaleph calls $0.30
Bizaxta folds
Corriente Guy calls $0.30
jenfur adds $0.10
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb calls $0.20
BrushCakes calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [2s 6h 4c]
ArkanSeb has 15 seconds left to act
ArkanSeb checks
BrushCakes checks
Abatwa bets $1
Elaleph folds
Corriente Guy folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $1 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($1.40)
-----I ooccasionally play this type of hand if I haven't been active for awhile. We've got position on villain so 3-betting light here is a good play if we have stats on villain that are in the range of 20-28 VP$IP which is extremely common at the microstakes. Players at this level aren't used to being 3-bet very often and when used sparingly this is a good technique to use when you haven't played very many hands recently.----
FullTiltPoker Game #4463604985: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:09:31 ET - 2007/12/11
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($7.50)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.45)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.30)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($5.05)
Seat 6: gnucat ($3.65)
Seat 7: hotlava77 ($10.70)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($11.75)
Seat 9: jenfur ($10)
ArkanSeb posts the small blind of $0.05
BrushCakes posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Ah 9s]
Abatwa raises to $0.35
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
gnucat folds
hotlava77 has 15 seconds left to act
hotlava77 folds
Corriente Guy folds
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($0.25)
-----I don't have the stats obviously, but, it looks like Abatwa is a LAG. If my observation is correct and villain is 25+ VP$IP this should at least be a call.-----
He seems LAG, since he's raised both these hands early. He was on two of my tables at the same time, I think. PT says 13/8/1.65 over 177 hands though.
My concern with both these hands is position; I don't mind 3-betting, and especially if he is playing/raising too many, but I rarely do it in this early of a position. Anyone have thoughts on 3-betting from early/early-mid?
fulltiltpoker Game #4463085820: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:21:18 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.85)
Seat 2: bolokstar ($1.70)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10)
Seat 4: KC_TRAIN ($5.75)
Seat 5: Chief2017 ($4.15)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($2.75)
Seat 7: NineLions ($9.50)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($9.40)
Seat 9: LesNessmann ($10.25)
Chief2017 posts the small blind of $0.05
lfigo85 has 5 seconds left to act
lfigo85 posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
Mith AU posts $0.10
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Jd Ac]
NineLions calls $0.10
Abatwa folds
LesNessmann folds
ExuTHoR folds
bolokstar folds
Mith AU checks
KC_TRAIN calls $0.10
Chief2017 calls $0.05
lfigo85 checks
*** FLOP *** [8h 3h 6s]
Chief2017 checks
lfigo85 bets $0.30
NineLions folds
Mith AU folds
KC_TRAIN folds
Chief2017 calls $0.30
-----Raise preflop. As played there is a good possibility that the Big Blind hit this flop. Agree with fold.-----
This is one of the things that I've been reviewing lately. According to the videos that I've been watching lately, AJ is a clear fold UTG. I couldn't bring myself to do this and chose the worst option; limping.
Folding AJ UTG, folding AT UTG + 1, raising all pairs after UTG, lots of 3-betting, not much calling preflop raises, that's where I'm trying to get to. At this level though, raising AJ UTG is probably fine. Limping is awful though.
FullTiltPoker Game #4463239290: Table Homestretch - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:35:06 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ExuTHoR ($1.65)
Seat 2: NickyP317 ($10.25)
Seat 3: Mith AU ($10.15)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 ($7.75)
Seat 5: drachdudek ($1.85)
Seat 6: lfigo85 ($0), is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions ($8.65)
Seat 8: Abatwa ($13.60)
Seat 9: kodak05 ($4)
NineLions posts the small blind of $0.05
Abatwa posts the big blind of $0.10
5 seconds left to act
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Kh 8h]
ExuTHoR folds
NickyP317 folds
Mith AU folds
biggysmalls316 has 15 seconds left to act
biggysmalls316 folds
drachdudek folds
NineLions calls $0.05
Abatwa checks
*** FLOP *** [8s 2s Qh]
NineLions bets $0.20
Abatwa raises to $0.70
NineLions calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [8s 2s Qh] Q♠
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** RIVER *** [8s 2s Qh Qs] 3♥
NineLions checks
Abatwa checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Abatwa shows [Jd 2h] two pair, Queens and Twos
NineLions shows [Kh 8h] two pair, Queens and Eights
NineLions wins the pot ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.60 | Rake $0.15
Board: [8s 2s Qh Qs 3h]
Seat 1: ExuTHoR didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: NickyP317 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Mith AU didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: biggysmalls316 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: drachdudek didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: lfigo85 (button) is sitting out
Seat 7: NineLions (small blind) showed [Kh 8h] and won ($1.45) with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 8: Abatwa (big blind) showed [Jd 2h] and lost with two pair, Queens and Twos
Seat 9: kodak05 is sitting out
-----I'm trying not to be results oriented, but, after seeing the flop reraise call, I was hoping to see you bet the turn for about half pot and take this down. I don't mind playing this passively since there is a good chance that we are behind, but, I like to find this out by betting. This does a couple of things:
a) We are repping at least a pair of Queens and if the player is good they might see this as KK or AA.
b) We are likely faced with calling villains bet on a later street and it will be difficult to call since we have no reason to believe that he would double barrel with air.
I'm not saying that your play is incorrect here. I only make the above play about half the time, but you should have it in your playbook.-----
Agreed. It's in my playbook. I don't remember the situation in terms of time at the table or reads on the player. I probably play this situation the way I did about 75% of the time at this level at FT, including calling anything less than a 1/2 pot bet on the river, or sometimes pot overbets on the river just because it's a weak hand in a limped pot so I don't want to build the pot.
I think I have too much of a tendency to let the person who raises me on the flop take control of the hand on the turn. I think one stab OOP on the turn here is not a bad idea.
FullTiltPoker Game #4463480257: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:57:31 ET - 2007/12/10
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($4.75)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10.90)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.10)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.85)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($4.85)
Seat 6: Elaleph ($9.25)
Seat 7: Bizaxta ($1.85)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($12.25)
Seat 9: jenfur ($9.95)
jenfur posts the small blind of $0.05
ArkanSeb posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Th Ad]
BrushCakes calls $0.10
Abatwa raises to $0.30
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
Elaleph calls $0.30
Bizaxta folds
Corriente Guy calls $0.30
jenfur adds $0.10
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb calls $0.20
BrushCakes calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [2s 6h 4c]
ArkanSeb has 15 seconds left to act
ArkanSeb checks
BrushCakes checks
Abatwa bets $1
Elaleph folds
Corriente Guy folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $1 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($1.40)
-----I ooccasionally play this type of hand if I haven't been active for awhile. We've got position on villain so 3-betting light here is a good play if we have stats on villain that are in the range of 20-28 VP$IP which is extremely common at the microstakes. Players at this level aren't used to being 3-bet very often and when used sparingly this is a good technique to use when you haven't played very many hands recently.----
FullTiltPoker Game #4463604985: Table Lake Sahara - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:09:31 ET - 2007/12/11
Seat 1: ArkanSeb ($7.50)
Seat 2: BrushCakes ($10)
Seat 3: Abatwa ($9.45)
Seat 4: NineLions ($9.30)
Seat 5: wylee1238 ($5.05)
Seat 6: gnucat ($3.65)
Seat 7: hotlava77 ($10.70)
Seat 8: Corriente Guy ($11.75)
Seat 9: jenfur ($10)
ArkanSeb posts the small blind of $0.05
BrushCakes posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to NineLions [Ah 9s]
Abatwa raises to $0.35
NineLions folds
wylee1238 folds
gnucat folds
hotlava77 has 15 seconds left to act
hotlava77 folds
Corriente Guy folds
jenfur folds
ArkanSeb folds
BrushCakes folds
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to Abatwa
Abatwa mucks
Abatwa wins the pot ($0.25)
-----I don't have the stats obviously, but, it looks like Abatwa is a LAG. If my observation is correct and villain is 25+ VP$IP this should at least be a call.-----
He seems LAG, since he's raised both these hands early. He was on two of my tables at the same time, I think. PT says 13/8/1.65 over 177 hands though.
My concern with both these hands is position; I don't mind 3-betting, and especially if he is playing/raising too many, but I rarely do it in this early of a position. Anyone have thoughts on 3-betting from early/early-mid?