[10NL] JJ vs. Min-raising fish

Villain is 54/15/1.6 over 13 hands
Stacks:
* MP2 with $9.50
* MP3 with $10.35
* CO with $6.00
* BTN with $11.45
* SB with $12.75
* BB with $10.00
* UTG with $6.45
* UTG+1 with $10.00
* MP1 with $8.85




Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to BB:J♠ J♥
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * UTG raises $0.10 to $0.20
* * 7 players fold.
* * Hero raises $0.60 to $0.80
* * UTG raises $0.60 to $1.40
* * Hero calls [$0.60]
* * Total folds this street: 7
* * Potsize: $2.85
Flop:
* * 2♥ 9♠ 6♣
* * Hero: checks
* * UTG: checks
* * Potsize: $2.85
Turn:
* * 9♥
* * Hero bets [$2]
* * UTG raises $2 to $4

I'm starting to see that a lot of bad players are really into min-raising with monsters at this limit. How's my line PF, and what to do on the turn (both before and after I bet).
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I'd like a half-pot flop bet.

Turn minraises are really scary, but as played, I think I'm calling and also calling most bets on safe rivers and paying off AA or quad 9s.

This is not neccesarily a monster, after you check the flop, villian is thinking you are weak, so I definitely call the turn and river the way the hand played out.

Ewww. I smell a rat and yeah I saw a lot of this kinda crap at 10nl and 25nl with idiots slow playing monsters. If he had top pair on the flop he just hit trips. I think you just call this one down as is.

The limp-reraise-then-check-raise-all-streets approach at these limits ($25 and even $50 as well) is almost always AA.

From a players this loose though i'd expand the range to QQ-AA and possibly AK.

I really doubt he's doing this with a 9 in his hand unless you've been seeing him take this sort of line often. So I'm not really worried about the nine. The only real question is: is he bad enough to do this with TT or AK?

With those stats he might be but I'd put those hands in the less likely catagory.

I'd either just let this one go or do what you can do get to showdown as cheaply as possible. Because of his stats and the fact you are already to the turn I'd lean towards getting to showdown.

Tend to agree with tygran. Outright fold is fine or call turn then c/f if villain shoves river is probably fine. Doubt this is ever AK, so TT is all you can hope for and given the 4B preflop, unless villain is a little crazy then it weights it towards QQ+.

I agree with Tygran. I would not be worrying about the 9 at all. If he has anything beat over you its either higher pockets. I would try to get through the hand as cheap as possible. Making a value bet on the flop would have helped you in this situation

feitr said:

Doubt this is ever AK

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Don't be *that* surprised. There are alot of bad villains at $10 nl with those type of stats that play AK the same way they play AA.. bet/raise all streets regardless of board because OMGZ AK IS TEH AWESOME HAND!

It shouldn't be AK... and I do think QQ-AA are far more likely but I wouldn't at all be shocked.

I meant i doubt a river shove would be an UI AK, so then you are just left with TT+ weighted towards QQ+ and therefore folding to a big river bet is probably correct.

Remember, he's short...

i agree with bob tiger you must call the turn and than do the same bet on the river to see if he realy wants to just scare you

i agree with bob tiger you must call the turn and than do the same bet on the river to see if he realy wants to just scare you

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You realize he started the hand with 64BB's and is left with $1.05 after the min-raise, right?

why aren't we leading the flop vs a calling station?

Alright, check might have been bad...what if we lead the flop and he minraises there?

I really really really don't like the preflop action. 3-betting and calling a 4-bet from someone not even 100 BBs deep (yeah I know it was a min 4-bet, but still) I just really don't like. If you think he's bad enough to do it with random shit then I just ship it in preflop and if not I either just flat the raise or fold to the 4-bet. Also 13 hands is not a large enough sample to label them a complete fish, and the reason he's a fish is he limps a ton more, so when he raises we can assume he has some kind of hand. I just fold to the 4-bet I think preflop.

EDIT: just realized we're oop, flatting JJ here could get ugly preflop so I think I like a 3-bet, but still fold to the 4-bet imo. Almost half the time we're going to be playing oop against an over on the board and be completely lost and the other half it'll be like this where we have an overpair and still have no idea if we're good or not.

Ok didn't pay any attention to stack sizes, so what i said before makes no sense. Zach is right...if you think villain is bad then ship it in preflop but folding to the 4B is fine after a few hands unless villain is clearly terrible. As is (ie. calling 4B then leading 1/2 of villain's stack) you can't really fold, but i think this is QQ+ almost always. But sometimes you kinda have to make a "bad play" postflop when you make mistakes preflop/flop (ie. the problem is not with your turn action, it is with what lead you up to having to be in this situation).

Flatting a 4B with JJ, getting the best flop/turn possible, putting in 1/2 of villain's stack and then folding is just really really horrifically bad, even tho i doubt you are ahead much.