I know implied odds are a big part of FR because of all the nitty players who pay off every time with overpair/TPTK type hands, but I still think that people depend way too much on them. You can't possibly count the whole stack of every person in the pot towards your implied odds, but it does help.
I play 6max, and as such the ranges are WAY wider than in FR, but I honestly don't think throwing out the idea of implied odds in 3bet pots (where the reraise isn't unusually small) is a bad idea. Even in FR I'm almost sure that even with position, it's a mistake to call a 3bet with a small pair purely for implied odds. You have to be making some kind of move - and I mean making
, like probably at least %20 of the time - after the flop to make it profitable. I'm not sure that's true in FR since the ranges are just so strong that you won't get folds often enough.
We can basically consider JJ as 22 here if we're considering flatting, since it's mostly with the intention of setmining and giving up if we miss (we can't really call a flop bet and fold on the turn if we have any more callers since the pot will be so big you'll be committed). That said, I'm not sure our implied odds are that great here, nor are our pot odds
, plus the original raiser or someone else could potentially reraise and ruin it all for us.
I doubt getting it all in preflop is profitable too. It's pretty standard to fold to an utg vs anything else that 3bets if we're holding JJ. Hell, it wouldn't be a slam dunk to get it in even in an aggressive 6max game.
If we somehow are getting implied odds, call, and see a Kxx flop, we can't really do anything other than check-fold.
All this is on the assumption that your opponents are unknown. The reads you have (especially
the 3bet % on that one player) really don't mean anything. 3bet %s take a while to converge, and it's just as likely that he picked up two monster hands than he is a maniac given our sample size.
^^^edited, may have gone on a little bit of a tangent.