10NL Full Ring - TT Cut Off Alternative Play?

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full tilt poker Game #12345: Table SampleTable - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em
Seat 1: pa0dequ3ij0 ($2)
Seat 2: kuwatoro ($10)
Seat 3: Janitor9 ($6.10)
Seat 4: Redsoxfan42 ($7)
Seat 5: Hero ($4.75)
Seat 6: BIGLOSER1964 ($10.30) [Button]
Seat 7: Forest4eva ($5.05) [SB]
Seat 8: X-Chess ($10) [BB]
Seat 9: resplandor ($4)
Forest4eva posts the small blind of $0.05
X-Chess posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ts Th]
resplandor folds
pa0dequ3ij0 folds
Janitor9 calls $0.10
Redsoxfan42 folds
Hero calls $0.10
BIGLOSER1964 calls $0.10
Forest4eva has 15 seconds left to act
Forest4eva calls $0.05
X-Chess checks
*** FLOP *** [6c Tc 8d]
Forest4eva checks
X-Chess checks
Janitor9 bets $0.40
Hero calls $0.40
BIGLOSER1964 calls $0.40
Forest4eva adds $0.05
Forest4eva folds
X-Chess folds
*** TURN *** [6c Tc 8d] [Qd]
Janitor9 has 15 seconds left to act
BIGLOSER1964 has been disconnected
BIGLOSER1964 has reconnected
Janitor9 bets $1.70
Hero raises to $3.40
BIGLOSER1964 calls $3.40
Janitor9 calls $1.70
*** RIVER *** [6c Tc 8d Qd] [5s]
Janitor9 has 15 seconds left to act
Janitor9 checks
Hero bets $0.85, and is all in
BIGLOSER1964 folds
Janitor9 has 15 seconds left to act
Janitor9 folds
Uncalled bet of $0.85 returned to Hero
Hero mucks
Hero wins the pot ($10.75)

Hi guys,
Ok here's the situation. I'm playing in a cheapo ring game. Just for a bit of relaxing fun leisure time really. Not getting stressed, layed back, but still paying attention to peoples bets and shown hands. Most players are playing suited cards and have drawn to the river aginast the odds given.

I find that I've got the tens in the cut off. The guy on the button is both aggressive and also vpip of around 50%+ for around 100 hands. He's a little steaming from a recent hand that he had tens actually and got rivered to lose to trip 7s. Most times I've done about 2.5x raise this, guys come over the top and reriased to about 9x.

There's another guy involved in the hand... I have immediate position on is relatively agressive and has a vpip of around 40% also around 100 or so.

It comes to me with a couple of limpers. I'm expecting the button to do a raise here. He's attempted what I believe are majority steals on several occasions with a few limpers in the pot.

I'm thinking here that I've possibly have the best hand. Now I see some of my options are:

1. Raising. At least it narrows the field. I'm confident the button will at least call but more like reriase me. He likes to push me around with his superior position. He's played a huge percentage of his button. If I do this I can see the hand playing out like everyone folds except me and the button, with possibly one extra caller. Most likely just me and the button.

2. Call. I'm uncomfortable being in this position trapped between the guys to my immediate left and right. I'm expecting the button to raise if I call. I'm in a terrible squeezy type scenario. i.e. if I raise, button reraises and the guy I have position on calls, I'm not going to like it one bit. This has happened a couple of times but I'm onto it. Something the guy to my right has taken advantage of. A very difficult situation for me.

So the plan for simply calling the bet is:
a. call the bet. Hope the button calls/folds so I can see my flop for my potential trips.
b. if he raises (within reason) call to see the flop and hope to trip up.
c. if he raises and there's a reraise get out... and feel sorry for myself that I've been pushed around again. Possibly start looking for another table where my position is better. I sometimes wait on the same table for an empty space and take the chance and try to move there. This is a sneaky little move that not enough people are aware of online and/or use. But is quite often done in live games - well by me anyway... lol.

I'm NOT interested in the flop unless I hit it like a sledgehammer.
If I hit my trips I'll try my best to get my money in, unless there's something mad happens like I time out with an internet connection.... well it is full tilt you know :)

To my surprise I actually don't get raised, just called. Poker is just amazing, you can never work it out!

Well as you can see I hit the trips. Ching ching ching jackpot.
But look what I do here. All those people in the pot and I just call the bet with the flush and str8 draws present. Here's the dilema:
I think if I raise the pot here I'm being called to the river whatever from at least someone. So my attempt to protect my hand is futile. I'm positive one at least has a flush draw since everyone at the table is going to the river with the draws in the past. There's also a stright draw there which I'm aware of.

I'm already decided my money is going in. I wait to the turn to push. Why? Because assuming no-one actually has the flush draw if that card comes off I'm going to represent it if possible. Unlikely scenario that no-one has this draw but worse things have happend at sea.

On the turn I step it up and get most my money in.
And the river bet invokes 2 folds. I don't mind the folds actually. They don't get to see my hand and the way I played it for another 80 odd cents.

So my questions are this:
1. How would you have played this hand at each stage in my position, against these sporadic players?
2. Would you have called the bet on the end for around 80 cents for information purposes!

Its a micro blinds situation and just fun play really... although every little adds up. Just thought I'd ask you micro player experts. The turn play is what I'm most interested in.

Thanks,
Paul
 
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I think you should raise all the time with TT here. If button wants to repop you that often then get it in.
 
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Given your reads, I'd raise preflop and hope BTN 3bets me so i just shove all-in when it gets back to me. You clearly believe he 3bets light in position, so TT crushes his range when he does.

I think you have to raise the flop here, because it's very wet (lots of possible draws) and you want to get the money in against those draws before they miss and refuse to pay you. Also, if they a made hand instead of a draw, they may pay you on this board but there's a lot of scary cards on turn that would kill your action.
 
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Given your reads, I'd raise preflop and hope BTN 3bets me so i just shove all-in when it gets back to me. You clearly believe he 3bets light in position, so TT crushes his range when he does.

I'm by no means an expert, just beginning to immerse myself in hand analysis but I absolutely agree with this. Raise it up in hopes of a reraise to which you shove. I'd like to see a raise on the flop here as well, although your reasoning is sound about representing the flush draw on the turn if you feel no one else is chasing it. As far as calling the river for info, I don't think I call with a hand like k9c or j7c....I'm trying to think of a hand that villain calls down here and lays down for .85.
 
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So my questions are this:
1. How would you have played this hand at each stage in my position, against these sporadic players?
2. Would you have called the bet on the end for around 80 cents for information purposes!

1. Raise PF.
2. Raise flop. You simply cannot flat this board with top set.
3. Buy in for full amount.
4. Win all the money :)
 
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Nice post; we need more of these.


10.75 to 0.85 to call, and he folds? :)

But yeah, raise TT preflop generally, and be careful not getting some money in on the flop to make draws pay. It's dangerous to wait until the turn, unless you're playing live and can read more than the cards.


And, either play minimum or full stack. In between sizes don't get full implied odds but they give off more implied odds than minimum stacks.
 
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Thanks all, the feedback is appreciated.

Yep, normally I'd do exactly that - i.e. raise preflop, and that board I think I normally have to raise as well. Not really sure if it would go according to plan with the calibre of people sitting at the table, does't mean you shouldn't try to do what's right though.

It turned out good in the end, but I have to say it was well risky.
But it was just a little bit of fun and trying something different :)
 
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