10NL FR Place a Villain on a hand for me, please

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leni

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Background:
I'm new at the table, no reads, played (and won) one hand so far with everyone folding to me at the river (In that hand I had top pair (paired at flop), K kicker, would've lost showdown to QQ/KK/JJ pockets or JA, showed cards after result), stack $12.58.
Villain's (small blind) stack is $9.07

This hand:

I'm dealt: ATo
Villain's dealt: ... (I'll post later, I read the rules just now)

blinds are $0.05/$0.10

Preflop:
I'm first in, I call, Villain raises $0.15, big blind calls, I call
pot: $0.60

Flop:
3J5 rainbow

Villain bets $0.10, big blind raises $0.20, I raise $0.90 (slight bluff attemp), Villain and big blind call
pot: $3.30

Turn:
3

Villain bets $0.10, big blind calls, I call (should've cont. raised to keep my bluff up? What size bet would've best convinced them I'd made three of a kind with JJ/55 pockets (don't think they would've believed I'd be holding a 3)? At this point I was putting Villain on JQ or JK)
pot: $3.60

River:
A

Villain bets $1, big blind folds, I call (at this point I thought he might have JA t worst and have me beat, but decided I could afford to take a $1 risk and see it to the showdown)


Any thoughts? I'm mostly interested in what do you think the Villain is actually holding here and on what do you base this read?
 
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mmmh, i don't like this limp/call with ATo, you are UTG so fold, I sometimes raise ATs, on the flop, it's not a really good spot to bluff, it could be if big blind just called, but here it smell bad but why not.

on the turn,villain minbets and BB calls, you could continue to bluff ( bet something like 3$), they look like really weak.

And on the river, i fold. You don't beat anything, maybe KK, QQ but i don't think he bets 1$ with KK or QQ so we can think the A on the river helps him. I think he has set or AJ.

(sorry for the the bad english, i hope u will understand)
 
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I agree it was a bad call to play ATo in the first place and a mistake to continue after action (repeatedly :rolleyes:), I'm not proud of the way I played it and as for that $1 call at river, I'm a bit prone to calling bets that are not a significant portion of my stack on the river when I'm almost positive I'm beat but want to see the Villain's hole cards and if I read them right - I don't know if that's a bad habit, because on occasion it has given me bits of useful information on the kind of cards people play and the way sb bets with what etc. But overall, I was awful here, of course.
But I wanted to post the hand because of what the Villain was doing here and how I would have been in deep cr*p had I actually been holding pocket JJ and gone wild on the river accordingly.

(insert spoiler alert)

He had pocket AA.

Who saw that coming?
 
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You really don't want to limp in with this hand, let alone try to raise the flop against two opponents with air. Calling down the rest of the way got yourself into some trouble, and I'd just let it go next time from the start.
 
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Yeah, but just hypothetically, what if I had actually had JJ as my hole cards? What would have the proper play? Raising decently after flop and turn? And if I'd failed to scare him off, what should I have done on the river? Should I have been wary of the potential AA pockets on him or had I no way of knowing? (Because honestly, I never suspected AA on him for a second, and I'm a bit bothered by that more than anything else, because while it didn't really play a role in this hand as I had next to nothing hand-wise anyway, it's the kind of thing that could've gotten me in trouble had I held what I thought was a "sure thing")
 
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against the average $10NL player, don't bother representing hands - they only just about know what hand they have, never mind anyone else at the table.

anyway, ATo UTG at a full table is a standard pf fold, bluffing on a dry board against two unknowns at $10NL who seem to like their hands is bad. if they're calling on a drawless flop like that they have some sort of made hand that they're probably not folding because for unknowns at $10NL stuff like TPDK is teh nutz.

in response to your "what if I had JJ?" question, you stack off and put it down to a cooler.
 
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Don't bother bluffing it doesn't work against these donks, and don't start the habit of limping with an A10 off, at least try to raise pre and isolate don't set yourself up for disaster with not even that strong of a hand.
 
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Yeah, but just hypothetically, what if I had actually had JJ as my hole cards? What would have the proper play? Raising decently after flop and turn? And if I'd failed to scare him off, what should I have done on the river? Should I have been wary of the potential AA pockets on him or had I no way of knowing? (Because honestly, I never suspected AA on him for a second, and I'm a bit bothered by that more than anything else, because while it didn't really play a role in this hand as I had next to nothing hand-wise anyway, it's the kind of thing that could've gotten me in trouble had I held what I thought was a "sure thing")

If I read this correctly, villain raised preflop to 15c which is like 1.5bb ?
So essentially this is a minraise. It's pretty unlikely you have JJ on the flop after limping UTG and then calling a min raise. Unless you would play REALLY nitty and treat JJ as a low-mid pocket pair and set mine.

In my 10nl experience when villains bet really low, like minbets on all streets. Most of the time they show up with AA. Unless flop has 2 hearts for instance then it's mostly just fish trying to build the pot with a flush draw.
 
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This hand:

I'm dealt: ATo
Villain's dealt: ... (I'll post later, I read the rules just now)

blinds are $0.05/$0.10

Preflop:
I'm first in, I call, Villain raises $0.15, big blind calls, I call
pot: $0.60

If youre going to come in with it, you should have raised coming in. If I'm UTG with A10o I'm usually going to fold unless its 6-max.

Flop:
3J5 rainbow

Villain bets $0.10, big blind raises $0.20, I raise $0.90 (slight bluff attemp), Villain and big blind call

Why bet here? Two people have already said they have a hand. You're throwing money away here.

pot: $3.30

Turn:
3

Villain bets $0.10, big blind calls, I call (should've cont. raised to keep my bluff up?

No. You dont have anything. They do. They arent going to fold. And if they didnt believe you before... another 3 isnt going to convince them.

What size bet would've best convinced them I'd made three of a kind with JJ/55 pockets (don't think they would've believed I'd be holding a 3)?

None. At least one of them will most likely call you.

At this point I was putting Villain on JQ or JK)
pot: $3.60

River:
A

Villain bets $1, big blind folds, I call (at this point I thought he might have JA t worst and have me beat, but decided I could afford to take a $1 risk and see it to the showdown)

Maybe AJ. I just now read the rest of the thread. Turns out he had AA. Either way I dont think you played the hand very well.

Any thoughts? I'm mostly interested in what do you think the Villain is actually holding here and on what do you base this read?

Above in red.
 
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