[10nl FR] Aces 4-way pot, flop decision

eNTy

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PrinzKiaser: 61/26/9 (31 hands)
-Tereneos_: 21/7/2.6 (584)
L.B.A: 76/24/2.8 (46)

Tereneos is a solid winner, about 5 BIs up in my PT from 600 hands multi tabling.
Hes very tight in his pre raises but still loose enough to limp a bit. I had him pegged as slightly loose passive, but very profitable.

LBA is just a complete moron. Shoving with nothing all the time.
For instance he cracked my other aces on that table previous to this hand with T2s and I 3bet him pre after he raised UTG.
And proceeded to flop trip Ts.

Prinz is also a loose fish, but not in the league that LBA is in.

EverestPoker Game #3928818393: Table Riga-38 - $.05/$.10
Seat 1: Lorakk ($12.38)
Seat 2: -Terenos- ($9.60)
Seat 3: L.B.A ($26.42)
Seat 5: JB1974 ($3.61)
Seat 6: entYy ($9.10)
Seat 7: mogdoe ($2.57)
Seat 8: rom_02 ($2.00)
Seat 9: PrinzKiaser ($9.42)
Seat 10: jdm1983 ($10.59)
mogdoe posts the small blind of $0.05
rom_02 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to entYy [Ac As]
PrinzKiaser calls $0.10
jdm1983 folds
Lorakk folds
-Terenos- raises to $0.50
L.B.A calls $0.50
JB1974 folds
entYy raises to $1.50
mogdoe folds
rom_02 folds
PrinzKiaser calls $1.40
-Terenos- calls $1.00
L.B.A calls $1.00
*** FLOP *** [8h 4s Kd]
PrinzKiaser checks
-Terenos- bets $0.50
L.B.A raises to $7.65
entYy ???

What do we do here. I mean LBA probably has nothing like always. I mean he could have a set,
but tbh I don't give him respect for that at all. Prinz probably doesn't have a big hand but it's -Terenos- I'm worried about.
Also note the fact LBA has bet the amount I have left in my stack, $7.60, and Stick suggested this might be a intimidating shove in respect to my pre 3bet.
Trying to get me to fold.

Can we really fold here and assume he has KK ?

Suggestions/moves/comments on my play so far are appreciated.
 
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automatic call. Your ahead of LBA. Don't know about Terenos but you can't let that take you off this juicy actino.
 
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I would think he was doing it to just intimidate you. You would have to call that.
 
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Can we really fold here and assume he has KK ?

assume he has KK based purely on an early mid position pf raise and a bet of a zillionth of the pot on the flop?

pretty much whatever he has here it's weirdly played. in calling preflop he is essentially guaranteeing that he will be up against three players (the donk closing the action is never folding), which one would think he wouldn't want to do with KK or indeed any other really strong hand (AK/QQ).

i guess the problem here is that nothing makes sense when it comes to assigning him a range, so even though it would be weird we have to assume he could have something like AA-TT/AK, maybe KQs though with 7 pfr that's a stretch.

anyway, it's a pretty standard call seeing as we lose to KK but we beat everything else in his range, plus we have the donk who if your reads are right has shoved nearly 8 bucks in with very little equity. the decent guy might fold everything in his range that you beat and just call with KK but that doesn't really matter given the 'dead' money from the donk that's in the pot.

really, i'm sensing this is a results-oriented thread and he has KK, but that is irrelevant. :)
 
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How can Terenos have pocket Kings here? Not popping it up pre-flop would be unorthodox, and you said he was solid right?

I think he has A/K or Q/Q.

Heck, if I had A/K in Terenos shoes (which is a lot more likely than K/K or 8/8) I'd be looking to bet small to coax LBA to shove with some stupid bluff.

So, in short, I'd stack. With your stack, it's either push or fold.
 
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i don't really think you are losing the hand at that moment, its a call or a push..

what were the results?
 
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I was sweating Enty during this hand, so I'm stuggling to not be results-oriented. Not easy, but I'll try.

At first, we thought there might have been a way to figure out what Terenos was doing. But after looking at the HH here, I realize it's nearly impossible. With the donk fish inbetween us and the solid player, our handreading ability is seriously dulled. To stay in the hand, we must call for our stack against the donk fish. Period. What the other 2 have is pretty much irrelevant. They will either fold after seeing us call the donk shove or call after executing a brilliant checkraise or masked bet.

I'd say shoving is correct here.
 
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Yeah I snap called, don't see how I could've gotten away from it

Terenos obv. had KK
And L.B.A had 6s3s for a normal play by his standards :)
 
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