[10NL] AQ, TPGK

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Villain is 36/15/4 over 22 hands. I've been 11/7/1. Does the fact that this is 10NL justify being able to stack off? in this hand?

pokerstars Game #23437036470: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/12/31 13:17:53 ET
Table 'Gabriella' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 24 is King ($4.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Incibus ($10.15 in chips)
Seat 3: MisterRiley ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 4: cutterchuck ($19.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Meike87 ($4.10 in chips)
Seat 6: daftstj ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 7: dad's ID ($10.95 in chips)
Seat 8: kareem9 ($9.05 in chips)
Seat 9: THE SHR0G ($10 in chips)
Incibus: posts small blind $0.05
MisterRiley: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to THE SHR0G [Ac Qs]
cutterchuck: calls $0.10
Meike87: folds
daftstj: calls $0.10
dad's ID has timed out
dad's ID: folds
dad's ID is sitting out
kareem9: folds
dad's ID has returned
THE SHR0G: raises $0.30 to $0.40
24 is King: folds
Incibus: calls $0.35
MisterRiley: folds
cutterchuck: calls $0.30
daftstj: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [6d 7s Ah]
Incibus: checks
cutterchuck: checks
daftstj: bets $0.85
THE SHR0G: raises $1.40 to $2.25
Incibus: folds
cutterchuck: folds
daftstj: raises $3.05 to $5.30 and is all-in
 
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First: **ALWAYS** convert your hand using the HH Converter either here on CardsChat or Stox.

Tip 1: Your Preflop raise should be 3 or 4x the BB plus 1BB per limper. In this case a raise to $0.50 or $0.60 is appropriate.

Tip 2: He donks into you ... strange. Given his range (although this is a microscopic hand sample size we're putting him on), you are light years ahead of his range. I think often you will find him with a worse A, but more often something like 89 for a draw. Sets and Two pair represent the top 6% of his hand range.

So ... Yeah Call. If he has you beat you made the right move.
 
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when people donk into you it's *almost* never a hand so yeah i have no problem stacking here

id expect to see a weaker ace or pp the majority of the time

also as Ice said pf raise should be bigger
 
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Also, weeeeeeee for my first ring HA :D
 
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For others, and testing doing this correctly:

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HAND #1
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poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $4.85 (48.5 bb)
SB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
BB: $2.10 (21 bb)
UTG: $19.10 (191 bb)
UTG+1: $4.10 (41 bb)
MP1: $5.70 (57 bb)
MP2: $10.95 (109.5 bb)
MP3: $9.05 (90.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A
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Q
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UTG calls $0.10, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, BTN folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30, MP1 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.70) 6
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7
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A
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(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets $0.85, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, UTG folds, MP1 raises to $5.30 and is all-in
 
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Snapcall that shizzz! Too much $ in there to fold for another $2.05. And raise more on the flop.

And raise to $0.60 preflop.
 
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Alright so when we come in for a raise here, the 3x plus BB per limpet should be used regardless of if were holding AA/AK/AQ/ ect?
 
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Alright so when we come in for a raise here, the 3x plus BB per limpet should be used regardless of if were holding AA/AK/AQ/ ect?
Right. The 3x+1 rule is just to ensure that you're raising close to a potsized raise. And against fish who fold to lots of c-bets & limp/call with dominated hands, you might want to make a habit of raising more preflop.
 
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Weak ace, Possibly 2-pair. But then I think why would villain donk into you with 2-pair, they most likely don't have the brain capacity to think a donk bet will induce a raise with a big ace....I say call.
fYi, i'm going with a weak ace ;)
 
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Snapcall that shizzz! Too much $ in there to fold for another $2.05. And raise more on the flop.

And raise to $0.60 preflop.

Seems like the general thoughts are warranting a call here. What about if the villain had a full 100BB's to start the hand?
 
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Seems like the general thoughts are warranting a call here. What about if the villain had a full 100BB's to start the hand?

I don't think villain is even capable of sitting down with 100bbs let alone acquiring that stack ;) Ummm.....I think the hand would play out completely differently to be honest, I can't see the villain shoving TPWK with a full stack imo, would most likely call it down, chances are villain is tilting maybe and wants to acquire a juiceeee stack hence the shove thinking you're not good for your kicker. Villain seems all far too spewy imo, did villain sit down with 100bb? If they did then villain lurrrves to give $$$ away.
 
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Seems like the general thoughts are warranting a call here. What about if the villain had a full 100BB's to start the hand?
That makes a world of difference. Leans toward a fold I think, but he's kinda fishy/aggressive. But even then, this is full ring, so it pretty much is a fold, but I still wouldn't hate calling that much.
 
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Alright, I know stacking with even TPTK is bad in ring..but considering this is 10NL, was wondering if it was ok.
 
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Snapcall that shizzz! Too much $ in there to fold for another $2.05. And raise more on the flop.

And raise to $0.60 preflop.

Raising more on the flop would essentially pot commit us given villian's stack size, no? Just wondering.
 
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Raising close to pot preflop is a must. We want to isolate/take in down, and we accomplish neither with our wimpy raise here.

As played, i'm fine calling here. I think it's +EV but high variance. The problem is you're playing against an aggro fish and in order to profit from those you need to learn what their specific leaks are.

What kind of hand they donk with, how they respond when you return the aggression, ... So at worse, by calling you're buying information that you can use later on to stack him. The most important part of the hand is the note you take right after it.
 
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I wouldnt be worried about AK or a set here. May be to pair but he is holding a week A here I think, he did exactly that move what you do when you are aggresive and think that your opponet has reraised cause he thought I was continuational betting only. so call here, plus you have already commited a lot of your chips here...
 
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