Originally Posted by WVHillbilly
If Jags right and he won't do this with JJ/QQ our equity plummets to ~17%. Personally I think AA 4bets preflop enough to discount it somewhat and 33/66/77 fold to the 3bet most times. This bring JJ/QQ/draws in enough to justify the call because of the size of our flop raise, IMO.
You can't assume villain is going to 4 bet with aces pre, remeber he and Chuck are playing deep so the villain may be more inclined to take a flop with Chuck and let him catch up. I'd say AA is definately well within the range.
I just don't see villain check/3bet shoving that flop with jj or qq after chuck has raised the all in.
I don't see villain having a set here, someone 19/10 even over a small sample, doesn't seem like someone who is raising utg with a small-mid pair, seems more likely they limp, i see them folding to the 3bet aswell
Unfortunately, we are ultimately repping AA,KK or AKs here, and villain is more than happy to get the money in against us. So i can't see how we have him beat.
Whats the size of the pot we have to call ~$70 into??
I agree with the raise less/fold to shove stated by vanquish, but i'm worried we may have committed ourself now depending on what the size of the pot is, although i only see us ahead of a,k or a,q spades, and were only a slight favourite there