100nl; QQ vs flop ch-r from LAG

Villain is like 50/15/2 over a smallish sample, I've been pretty tag.

Our move?

pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed)

Hero ($100)
CO ($87.50)
Button ($104.90)
SB ($93)
BB ($51.90)
UTG ($100.90)
UTG+1 ($170.35)
MP1 ($28.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q .
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.5, 4 folds, UTG calls $3.50.

Flop: ($10.50) 2 , 7 , T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7.5, UTG raises to $23, Hero ...

Hmmmmm, toughie, J10/AJ/ random flush draws also plays like this as well as sets. PT flop aggression stats would be useful here. Against a 50/12/2 I usually stack here though. Calling down light gives too many free cards to the flush draw IMO, expect 1010+ to re-raise preflop. 10's is a cooler.

Flop AF after 136 hands was 2.33, though this hand might have been earlier when I didn't have as many hands on him.

I hate these situations. If you fold you are left wondering, if you call you feel weak, and if you raise you have to invest heaps in the post with just QQ. It smells like a set to me - if I didnt know the player I would tend to fold and stay out of trouble. If I had seen him bet draws and display aggressive behaivour with rubbish I may call.

Firstly congrats on (finally ) making it to 100nl and here's to it staying a permanent thing.

I can see vil making this move with any sort of fd/sd and even any pps really as he can very easily make the assumption you are just c-betting this dryish board. With those stats tho he could even conceivably just be on air here - in the end you gotta stack here as his range is soooo wide and although we're behind a set/9h8h (or T7 lol) these make up a small enough part of the range that we can't worry too much.

TheDoc said:

I hate these situations. If you fold you are left wondering, if you call you feel weak, and if you raise you have to invest heaps in the post with just QQ. It smells like a set to me - if I didnt know the player I would tend to fold and stay out of trouble. If I had seen him bet draws and display aggressive behaivour with rubbish I may call.

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Why would we want to call if we think he does this with draws?

This is definitely a push/fold situation since villain could easily be doing this with draws that we would need to charge to draw.

I was just thinking of limiting the port size. But upon reflection I think you are right, calling is the worst option. I guess it comes down how you feel about that player and situation, make a decision and ride it out. I would only push if I had a good read on him as an aggresso.

Hmmm... push or fold. The pot will be too big to get away from the hand if you call obviously and raising commits you.

Here's a similar situation but OOP:
full tilt poker Game #4887698761: Table Summer Leaf - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:48:11 ET - 2008/01/16
Seat 1: ssm727 ($35.20)
Seat 2: o_Magic_0 ($24.75)
Seat 3: mikeruns ($23.85)
Seat 4: skoldpadda9 ($49.30)
Seat 5: Confuzious ($56.35), is sitting out
Seat 6: Vetteparts ($12.50)
Seat 7: coman900 ($18.50), is sitting out
Seat 8: iemdavid ($34.45)
Seat 9: Babylongirl ($28.65)
o_Magic_0 posts the small blind of $0.10
mikeruns has 5 seconds left to act
mikeruns is sitting out
skoldpadda9 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to skoldpadda9 [Ks Kd]
mikeruns stands up
Vetteparts calls $0.25
Confuzious stands up
iemdavid folds
Babylongirl folds
ssm727 calls $0.25
o_Magic_0 calls $0.15
skoldpadda9 has 15 seconds left to act
skoldpadda9 raises to $1.25
coman900 has been disconnected
Vetteparts calls $1
hansolo2020 sits down
hansolo2020 adds $5
ssm727 has 15 seconds left to act
ssm727 calls $1
coman900 has reconnected
o_Magic_0 has 15 seconds left to act
o_Magic_0 folds
*** FLOP *** [5h 7h 4d]
skoldpadda9 bets $4
coman900 has returned
Vetteparts has 15 seconds left to act
Vetteparts calls $4
ssm727 folds
*** TURN *** [5h 7h 4d] [7c]
skoldpadda9 bets $44.05, and is all in
Vetteparts calls $7.25, and is all in
skoldpadda9 shows [Ks Kd]
Vetteparts shows [Kh Ah]
Uncalled bet of $36.80 returned to skoldpadda9
*** RIVER *** [5h 7h 4d 7c] [6s]
skoldpadda9 shows two pair, Kings and Sevens
Vetteparts shows a pair of Sevens
skoldpadda9 wins the pot ($25.20) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Vetteparts is sitting out
Vetteparts adds $4.10
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26.50 | Rake $1.30
Board: [5h 7h 4d 7c 6s]
Seat 1: ssm727 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: o_Magic_0 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: mikeruns is sitting out
Seat 4: skoldpadda9 (big blind) showed [Ks Kd] and won ($25.20) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 5: Confuzious is sitting out
Seat 6: Vetteparts showed [Kh Ah] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 7: coman900 is sitting out
Seat 8: iemdavid didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Babylongirl didn't bet (folded)

given that he limped then called utg i start out putting him on some kinda middle(ish) pp. if he limp raised utg you could worry about JJ+ and AK, but for now i'd say he could possibly be holding any pair and as low as A10, but i doubt a10. given the texture of the flop he probly just thinks your c-betting AK and thinks he's ahead even if you call. i'd shove. if you folded i wouldnt say it was a bad play but i think over the long haul your ahead in this situation and only costing yourself money by giving up so easily.

Alright I think we all agree this would be a shove. His range is just too wide and includes a lot of big draws that we'd like to charge the most possible.

This hand actually didn't go down like this; I c-bet and he folded, but a check-raise was something I considered and thought it would make for an interesting situation. Sorry, no results for you guys

^^^^^ we were conned hehe, but it opens the door for when this situation really does arise. I think pushing was definately the option here against the opponent you described. Can see him do this with a load of draws and top pair hands