re: Poker & [100NL FR] I fold KK preflop good fold or am I just a p****y
Originally Posted by vanquish
If he's as tight with his opening range from UTG as bw says, though, you can pretty much do anything preflop and it will suck (including calling the open-raise from BB and playing KK so deep OOP, against a decent player).
Jeez, exaggerate much? You'd have to put him on only AA/KK to make that a good fold. His stats do not indicate nearly that much tightness. Even his 3-bet range looks like AA-JJ, AK, and maybe some AQ and TT (very by situation). I have to imagine his UTG+1 range is looser than his 3-bet range. Plus, you're calling from the BB, so he should put you on a pretty wide range.
As for just flatting the initial raise, I generally prefer that move when I'm in position. In that case, I'm looking to have my opponent bleed chips due to his positional disadvantage and his perception of my weakness. I don't know what line we'd take out of position if the flop is blank. Do we check-call down? I like this line is better when in position, because you're more likely to face a river bet from a worse hand. If you're out of position, he may choose to check down the river. Maybe betting down for value would be better. That might confuse his jacks or queens enough to get him to call down. The problem with that approach is if he decides to raise a overpair, you're in nearly the same situation you were in preflop. The only difference is that you're slightly more likely to double up against QQ, but you're slightly more likely to stack off versus AA. In short, playing OOP is a b!tch, so I prefer to play my hands more for preflop value, where I'm not at a positional disadvantage.
BTW, I made a mistake earlier when I said villain is OOP. Whoops!