100NL Flopped set in position dry board

Reads: the CO raiser, no reads just sat at table few hands ago. BB once again no reads but I'm pretty positive he is a passive calling station type of guy. SB after about 50ish hands has been border line TAG, I think he calls too much but he doesn't get out of control.

MP3: $100 (100 bb)
CO: $98.50 (98.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $100 (100 bb)
SB: $101.75 (101.8 bb)
BB: $50 (50 bb)
UTG: $160.55 (160.6 bb)
UTG+1: $230.80 (230.8 bb)
MP1: $100 (100 bb)
MP2: $307.40 (307.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 2 2
5 folds, CO raises to $4, Hero calls $4, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3

Flop: ($16) J 3 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $10 Hero calls $10, 2 folds

So I flop a totally awesome flop and I want to make some money, My instict says my hand is good here, I feel like I can just call to give sb and bb some odds, let the CO catch up a little perhaps because I really feel like his range here is big cards and J being in his range so I think checking is good here which I don't see a reason not to if turn blanks and he will be willing to bet again.

Turn: ($36) Q (2 players)
CO checks, Hero ?
Now on turn I have a decision to make after he checks, my gut feeling is that he checks J and is scared of Q, and I feel like I need to bet this, but how much do u guys think I should bet and if you think I should check why?

Is this a trick question?

if you don't bet here, i think i may have to slap you, tbh...

How much? I bet about $20, which is not too scary, but so that if he calls the pots gets to $76 and I can shove my remaining $66 on river for less than a pot-sized bet.

BelgoSuisse said:

Is this a trick question?

if you don't bet here, i think i may have to slap you, tbh...

How much? I bet about $20, which is not too scary, but so that if he calls the pots gets to $76 and I can shove my remaining $66 on river for less than a pot-sized bet.

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ok makes sense, what exactly are your plans for the river say if the diamond hits against an unknown? I'm just going to bring up few scenarios, say you do bet 20$, he calls and diamond comes on river. What are your responses from these types of lines from villain
1)he shoves
2) he checks
3) he makes a small 1/2 pot bet
4) he makes a 2/3 pot bet.

also does it matter what kind of Diamond and how does it affect our decision?

bob_tiger said:

ok makes sense, what exactly are your plans for the river say if the diamond hits against an unknown? I'

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I don't believe in runner runner flushes and make a point of paying them off with my sets. I don't think it's a leak, tbh.

BelgoSuisse said:

How much? I bet about $20, which is not too scary, but so that if he calls the pots gets to $76 and I can shove my remaining $66 on river for less than a pot-sized bet.

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This. Your $20 bet might even get raised on the turn, your line looks extremly "floaty".

I also strongly believe that runner runner flushes should also be paid off.

This was no trick question and I already knew the answers to my questions but I just wanted to start a discussion of sort of showing whats most +EV way to play this hand and you two basically nailed it.
I do make the 20$ bet, he flats, river bricks off 4 of spade, he checks once again and I shove my remaining 66$ and he calls and shows up with KK, I was pretty surprised how he showed up with like very top of his range, I expected like QK type hands calling because of missed flush draw. This is the type of guy who is not able to turn a top pair hand into a bluff but even when flush hits I think I would still call/shove.
To belgo, I was sort of inspired by your bread n buttter thread and wanted to make this sort of same and get somewhat of an interesting discussion that could help lower stakes player moving up. I feel like too many low stakes players think they have to raise on flop to be aggresive but in reality when we raise we fold out worse hands that will pay us off on later streets, say he raises AQ here and c-bet and when we raise he almost always folds, but his bet and pot is big enough for us to be able to get a pot sized all in bet by the river and to be honest slightly over betting is definitely not bad against this guy, definitely +++EV. This was the whole point of the thread and give you two A+

another set at this same table different flop texture. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cas...her-set-position-sort-wet-143287/#post1082789

I, for one, appreciate this kind of thread.

Im getting close to be rolled for $25 NL and some of the plays that are obvious to a higher stakes regular are still pretty new to me (although I was going to say bet around half pot in response to your question... so maybe Im learnign something)

So.. thanks, I guess.

Great post, Bob - this really gets into the postflop play discussion we were talking about yesterday - where the preflop discussions are important and really great for really new players in particular, I think several of us microstakes guys would really benefit from an extended discussion of postflop play considerations.

I suggest that a post covering some of the very basic considerations that are second nature to you higher stakes guys would be really useful - the "raising folds out worse hands" consideration is one - unfortunately, I'm one of the guys who doesn't know what's second nature to you guys , so we'll have to rely on you guys for the other considerations!

Maybe putting it in the context of what your action is supposed to accomplish? c9 helped me a lot with thinking about cbetting (what the cbet is for, what does it accomplish, when not to cbet, etc.) and inducing bluffs in another thread, but I still need more practice/thought there. When should we raise, and when shouldn't we, is addressed here - that's another consideration. Board texture - wet vs. dry, paired flops - and considerations there. The WA/WB thread in Golden Archives. Etc.

Collecting the basic considerations into a centralized post/thread would, I think, be really useful - just a suggestion - thanks again