100nl AJ top pair raised

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pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed)

MP ($34.80)
Hero ($100)
Button ($85.35)
SB ($101.50)
BB ($130.45)
UTG ($291.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J
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, A
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2 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds.

Flop: ($8.50) A
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, 4
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, 6
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(2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $30, Hero ...

Villain is like 33/11/4 and I've been tag again - is stacking here spewy? Can we fold?
 
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spewy... wait for a better spot against this fish

remember, small hand = small pot
big hand = big pot...

this is not a big hand obv and he could have a set or bigger ace easily
 
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Tough tough decision here. It's very unlikely he has AA, would have reraised preflop and would two of the aces are already used, ours and the A on the flop. AK would have also reraised preflop. AQ might have just called preflop. 66 and 44 would probably call preflop. KK - 77 would not reraise here, probably call or fold.

So we're losing to 66 44 and AQ. Only three hands. But we are beating a lot of hands. He could have called preflop with A 10, A 9, A 8 or A 7 (do you think he would chuck or is he super tight?). He probably would have folded A 6 or A 4 preflop unless he's loose. He might have called preflop with KJ suited in diamonds or KQ suited in diamonds and be making a semibluff. So it's almost a borderline situation here, we are beating 4-6 possible hands and we are losing to 3 possible hands. I think your decision of whether or not to go with this hand depends on your read on him, if you think he would play ace ten - ace rag this way then stay in the pot, if not then let it go.
 
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Easy fold.

Why?

Villain is a lagomaniac and could have all types of worse hands in his range as well as FDs. I'm just not sure if there are enough of them in his range or if my AJ beats it.
 
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To me his raise to $30 here says "I am ready to play for my stack. Are you?" I'm not in this situation. I'll wait. If he's that lagtastic he's not going to stop giving away money after this hand.
 
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In rings you have to squeeze out every significant edge you have. Folding here just because you don't want to commit this many chips with TP is silly - we should be figuring out what his range is and see how we stack up.

I'm not saying this is a must-stack, I just think it needs a little more analysis before we say 'fold'.

Like ben said, the only hands I'm really concerned about are sets, combo draws (which are actually favourites over us), and A4/A6. I'm not even sure he plays hands that strong this fast here.

Also, he's only sitting on 85bbs.
 
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It's because he is only sitting on 85bbs that it's an easy fold for me. He's committing himself right now. I don't think you have a significant enough edge here with TP3K against a committed opponent to risk 85bbs. I fold.
 
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Not sure what you mean by that - isn't the fact that he's sitting on a smaller stack more reason to put him in since he'll be risking less here?

I'd probably instafold to 100bb+ stacks here, but we're getting better odds on a push with his smaller stack.
 
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This is very very marginal Chuck, stacking with tptk is very light here. This is one of the most difficult players to play against, because he ultimately gets paid well when he does flop huge. That said, just how aggressive is he on flops ? Button cold call preflop ranges him on either pairs or KJ/AJ/JQ type hands, it depends on your read here. I've played over 100bb deep before with TPNK type hands because villian has shown over-aggressive tendencies on certain streets.

Just how laggy is 33/11/4 for a 6max game Chuck ? Getting stuck in a bit of a FR mindset at the moment. When did you hit up the shorthanded tables again, not making enough on FR ?
 
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Actually I'd go just the opposite. If the stacks are deep (150bbs), his raise becomes more likely to be a bluff/weaker A (because he can let the hand go without doing too much damage to his stack). Unless you've seen him put a significant portion of his chips in and fold before (huge mistake on his part), I think we have to fold. I mean what types of hands are we expecting him to call our shove with here? Does he call with A10/A9, KK, QQ? Maybe, but I doubt it. And because he put in almost 1/2 of his stack, he has to be willing to go all the way and if we get him all-in here, more often than not I don't think we like what we see.

Obviously if the effective stack size is even shorter (60 bbs or less) we're in it to win it.
 
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Actually I'd go just the opposite. If the stacks are deep (150bbs), his raise becomes more likely to be a bluff/weaker A (because he can let the hand go without doing too much damage to his stack).

So you call/reraise with a deep stack!? That's giving off terrible reverse implied odds.

Unless you've seen him put a significant portion of his chips in and fold before (huge mistake on his part), I think we have to fold. I mean what types of hands are we expecting him to call our shove with here? Does he call with A10/A9, KK, QQ? Maybe, but I doubt it.

This is the problem - I haven't seen him do anything crazy yet. Nothing that I noticed w/7 other tables open at least. And yes, I do expect him to stack with Ax or a FD if he's playing it this fast.

KK/QQ reraise pf so they're not really in his range, but if he does play them this way (v odd and not very likely imo) then I would expect him to stick his remaining ~$50 in the pot.

Just how laggy is 33/11/4 for a 6max game Chuck ? Getting stuck in a bit of a FR mindset at the moment. When did you hit up the shorthanded tables again, not making enough on FR ?

This was actually a FR game that had recently lost a few players. Said opponent is prob the only reason I was at the table.

fwiw I've only been thinking about 6-max, not really playing. FR's doing me fine :)
 
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All I'm saying is that if the stacks are deeper (or shorter) he's more likely to have a worse hand than you here. I'm not looking to get all-in with 150bb stacks but I'm more likely to call and play out the rest of the hand.
 
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Forgot to finish this one - I did fold this but I'm still thinking it may be a push. I don't think I made a huge mistake but we maybe could have gotten it in here.
 
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I don't see AJo being a good push here ...

Feels like he called you with a hand like 44, 66, 46 etc. and is now putting you on something like AK and hoping you'll marry top pair.

It's obv. a push/fold situation and I can't bring myself to call with AJ. Villain could have AQ or AK as well.
 
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