£100nl AA vs worlds worst flop/but not all that bad

Live casino game aswell, same as other thread actually.

Villain has just sat down. Ive never seen her in the casino before so i have no idea how her game is. This is her 3rd hand at table aswell, she seems to know what she is doing however, doesnt seem new to poker.

Blinds £0.50/£1

Hero [£110ish]
Villain [£98ish]

Hero is in sb
Villain is in mp

Dealt to hero []

Villain calls £1
Hero raises to £4
Villain calls £4

Flop [ ]

Hero ??????????

This is a huge flop since you have the ace of clubs, you should be willing to get all in here. If you had AA but no flush draw then checking and calling a small bet would be the best play.

Absolutely lead here. Your normal C-bet or a bit higher. You want to inflate the pot here. You have 9 flush outs plus an additional couple of net outs with runner-runner FH cards and possibly even ST8. At worst you have 7 flush outs plus all the runner-runner outs. Lead and hope the turn isn't a non-club 8.

i agree with leading out with the nut flush draw. I then made an awful call on the flop resulting in this event.

Flop [ ]

Hero bets £8
Villain raises £8 to £16
Hero calls £8

Turn [ ]

Hero ???????

I know that i should have re pushed that flop most likely, but what now after the worst turn card

That flop call isnt the worst in the world, and overpair with a nut flush draw, I get it in here lots. The turn is a disaster for you, it fills flushes/straights and denys you implied odds if you do catch that last club. Straights/sets even K/Q high flushes are rarely paying off even if you do hit.

I use this as a pure pot odds problem, check and see if and how much villian bets.

check and see how much villians bet, call if you get the right price

The call on the flop is fine I think. You are calling a raise of £8 to win a pot of £33. That's slightly more than 4 to 1 odds, which would justify the call based purely on expressed odds drawing to the flush.

I would go with a check, followed by a call/fold depending on the size of the bet. As tenbob said, this is a purely pot odds situation, and expressed odds at that, as I don't think we can get enough out of the villain to make a call counting on implied odds.

The fact that the villain only min raised on the flop though gives me some hope that it might be a small bet trying to keep you around for the river.

tenbob said:

The turn is a disaster for you, it fills flushes/straights and denys you implied odds if you do catch that last club. Straights/sets even K/Q high flushes are rarely paying off even if you do hit.

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This is going to sound really noobish how has the king ruined our implied odds? Surely it has filled up more hands which may call us on river if we hit the flush? Surely more hands will call now if we hit our flush on the river, then the hands that would have had we hit on the turn f if you understand. Cant really explain what im meaning, that was best i could do

baconn said:

check and see how much villians bet, call if you get the right price

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What would the right price be? Do you mean to draw to the flush? Is it safe to assume we only have 7 clean flush outs aswell?

Would there be an arguement for pushing all in over the top of a turn bet by villain?

I would be looking for around 4:1 odds to call on the river. I think we see enough sets and straights on this flop so that we can't assume we only have 7 outs left. I don't think shoving the turn is a real good idea here though. The min raise on the flop sounds like the villain wants more action, not less. So I think shoving here is going to be snap called.

As far as the King coming on the turn, the problem is that the king pretty much counterfeits any straight the villain may have had. If villain had KQ for the nut straight, well that just got partially counterfeited, and villain is now splitting with any Q and losing to AQ (which is obviously a hand you would be raising with preflop). If the villain was set mining and hit, the K also slows down that hand, since 4 to a straight is pretty obvious to see.

Basically, that king means that even if you hit your flush, you probably are not going to get any more money out of the villain since there are quite a few more hands now that would potentially be ahead of the villains range.