100nl 6max; JJ line

Thoughts on overall line? As played is stacking the flop ok?

No reads.

party poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $242 (242 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $40.55 (40.6 bb)
CO: $98.50 (98.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with [Jd] [Jc]
CO raises to $4, BTN folds, Hero raises to $13, BB folds, CO calls $9

Flop: ($27) [7d] [2c] [8c] (2 players)
Hero bets $19, CO raises to $85.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $66.50

Thoughts on overall line? As played is stacking the flop ok?

No reads.

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BTN: $242 (242 bb)
Hero (SB): $100 (100 bb)
BB: $40.55 (40.6 bb)
CO: $98.50 (98.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J J
CO raises to $4, BTN folds, Hero raises to $13, BB folds, CO calls $9

Flop: ($27) 7 2 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $19, CO raises to $85.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $66.50

Turn: ($198) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($198) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

First - Party Poker?!?!

It's 4 handed and you have an overpair, and it's hard to imagine he has KK or AA ... QQ is a remote remote possibility ... I mean I'm not as good as you bud, but this situation was KILLING me last month where I'd flop an overpair and get stacked off, only to be up against a set or better pocket overpair.

Maybe at this higher level this guy is on some sort of combo draw 9Td? Hard to think he'd have something stupid like A8. It's probably a case where you called at the flop you were absolutely no better than 50-50 in the situation.

4 handed, this seems ridiculously standard. Unless there is something im missing, this is TT,99,66 even, 9,T, flush draw, even a,8 enough times for this call to easily be profitable

you've posted the same hand in 2 threads , i've posted in the other one basically saying call

lolooops

Posting at stox too, sorry for the brain fart

Your play here shatters my confidence in you Chuck! Unless you neglected to share a critical read on villain, I don't take JJ here to the dance.

From the info provided either you just sat down, or you have been spewing and just chipped up. If the latter, you must be playing sub par, if the former, you have no reads.

With the draws that are available to the villain here you could definitely be getting in with the worst of it even if he doesn't have an overpair. I've been shipping stacks on hands like this for at least a week, so I would call (and lose).

dj11 said:

Your play here shatters my confidence in you Chuck! Unless you neglected to share a critical read on villain, I don't take JJ here to the dance.

From the info provided either you just sat down, or you have been spewing and just chipped up. If the latter, you must be playing sub par, if the former, you have no reads.

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Well to be honest there are plenty of other hands that should have done much more confidence-shattering. Not sure why I posted this one because it's actually just standard. 4-handed against a button steal/float with a board this drawy and it's pretty standard.

What does your second line even mean dj? I sat down recently and don't have reads. What does 'spewing and just chipped up' have to do with anything? Are you talking about my stack size?

JJ readless against your average (ie aggressive) full-stacked 100nl 6-max player in this spot is pretty standard.

yes, either you just sat down, or you just rebought.

After writing a great ring game guide, are you vulnerable to all the things you take advantage of?

Will have to wait for a while I imagine to see the outcome.

I'm generally not a ring guy, so ignoring me is not out of the question. My experience with a hand like this would have me misreading villain, and stacking off to his bigger pair, or a set.

I will guess that he's shoving with any overpair, so maybe you got lucky and he had TT, or the other JJ.

I'm always keeping a 100bb stack unless I forget to reload, that has nothing to do with anything.

Results? What would results matter? You know better than that. It's about hand ranges, not results.

What makes you think AA-QQ are such a big part of his range? Don't you think those would just 4-bet preflop?

Look, we're getting 1.98:1, so we'll round to 2:1.

Looking at the worst possible range (you can't possibly say he's tighter than this), we're a 1.6:1 dog:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.653% 37.36% 01.29% 13686 472.50 { JcJd }
Hand 1: 61.347% 60.06% 01.29% 21999 472.50 { 77+ }

Not to mention that he'll be doing this with a ton of draws, occasionally A8s type hands, occasionally underpairs, and even air (all of which obviously increase our equity), and it's clearly a stackjob.

6max not sure, but FR I'd probably end up folding this. Seems to be combo draws (which we're close to 50% against) and sets (crushing us). Honestly, only thing I could think of that's not beating us or flipping with us here is like top pair or 99/TT wanting to protect from all the obvious draws. But no good player is taking this line with anything you're ahead of.

From other thread:

6max not sure, but FR I'd probably end up folding this. Seems to be combo draws (which we're close to 50% against) and sets (crushing us). Honestly, only thing I could think of that's not beating us or flipping with us here is like top pair or 99/TT wanting to protect from all the obvious draws. But no good player is taking this line with anything you're ahead of.

From other thread:

4 handed, this seems ridiculously standard. Unless there is something im missing, this is TT,99,66 even, 9,T, flush draw, even a,8 enough times for this call to easily be profitable.

The fact that this is 4 handed is key, our jacks are HUGE here. Villain could also easily be doing this as a complete bluff pushing us off a,k a,q or even with compelte random hands such as 6,7 after attempting a steal then playing it for implied odds

dj11 said:

yes, either you just sat down, or you just rebought.

After writing a great ring game guide, are you vulnerable to all the things you take advantage of?

Will have to wait for a while I imagine to see the outcome.

I'm generally not a ring guy, so ignoring me is not out of the question. My experience with a hand like this would have me misreading villain, and stacking off to his bigger pair, or a set.

I will guess that he's shoving with any overpair, so maybe you got lucky and he had TT, or the other JJ.

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I think a massive factor you are missing here is that this is 6-max, $100 NL.

those games tend to be FAR more aggressive than lower limit games, and 6 max is generally looser than FR anyway at any limit.

Seriously I stack here like always, even against an unknown. 6mx is aggro full stop. 6m on party is like donktardly spewtatsic. Fist pump call here, even against a pretty conservative range of 22, 77+ we're not in that bad of shape. Add in a shit load of draws and overcards, then we're in pretty good shape.

oh btw this wasn't party, just a mishap with the converter

Wow dude, your up late!

yeah dude and drunk as a skunk too weeeeeeeeeeee

hey you posted at 420

............

It's like 9:55 am here lol, just got up having breakfast.

so 9:55am is teh UK 420 then? awesome...

ChuckTs said:

so 9:55am is teh UK 420 then? awesome...

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lol

LOL, I realised that replying to a very drunk Chuck would have been futile and led to some awesome piss taking.