100NL 6-max - KK vs river A

Villain is playin at around 25/20/2 over about 35 hands so not real relevant.


poker stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): $100.50 (100.5 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $90.50 (90.5 bb)
MP: $178.70 (178.7 bb)
CO: $104.50 (104.5 bb)
BTN: $465.85 (465.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K K
2 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $9, BB folds, CO calls $6

Flop: ($19) 3 T J (2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($47) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $28, CO calls $28

River: ($103) A (2 players)
Hero ?

I feel like shoving is the right thing here but what is he calling me down w/ here? I was truely stumped once the A came.

he could've had pocket 10's or jacks, or even king queen chasing a straight, I probably would've pushed, but that is a really tuff decision. If he was playing loose, I would've pushed.

ch/call a shove. Hes not calling this river with anything u beat now if u shove since the A popped off, but he might decide to bluff this river if you check it to him. If he's got an A so be it, but i like ch/calling river way more than shoving river here.

I'll take a shot at this one.

I'd have liked to see a bit larger turn bet. $28 into $47.50 just seems a tad low here especially with so many cards you don't want to see (straght draws/flush draws/aces)

The ace unfortunately smacks his range pretty solidly so this is a wa/wb.

It will hit Ax diamonds, AJ and QK all hands he could play this way. I think the sets are unlikely but certainly possible (I'd have expected a reraise by now?). About the only hands I wouldn't be surprised to see that you can beat are QQ or KK (unlikely since you have 2 of them). Or a busted draw (2 diamonds/89/etc)

I'm leaning towards a check/call here as checking may induce a bluff if he whiffed and may also induce a check behind if all he has is the weak ace. The weak ace is also probably calling you if you bet it at this point as you've pretty much rep'd the overpair the whole way.

if he shoves it would be $49.50 to call into $153 pot so you need to be good 1 in 4 times. I think you probably would be.

3bet bigger pf, bet way more on turn. In a bigger 3bet pot it would probably be a shove.

ChuckTs said:

3bet bigger pf, bet way more on turn. In a bigger 3bet pot it would probably be a shove.

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How big of a 3bet pf would you recommend here? $12?

I agree for sure that the turn bet needed to be bigger.

How big of a 3bet pf would you recommend here? $12?

I agree for sure that the turn bet needed to be bigger.

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I make it $11 to go here. Typically, to a $3 raise at 100NL and I want to 3bet, I make it $10 to go in position and $11 to go out of position adding a dollar for limpers behind.

hmm this is interesting. Problem I have with ch/calling shove is that this allows him to check behind all his QJ/QQ-type hands we beat while value betting AJ/AT. Also I think Ax with a flush draw is in his range. I agree this isn't a bet because nothing worse calls other than hero QQ call and nothing better really folds. Are we ahead of hands that shove? There are a ton of draws that missed. If he was the type of player to bluff shove a draw here easy ch/call but if he doesn't we're beat just about every time he shoves.

3bet to $11, bet more on turn. As played, check, vomit and call against an unknown as this is such a great card to bluff for him.

That's a gross river card. I think c/f is in order. I think the A is a worse card than a diamond hitting. He can definitely have AJ or KQ and AQ/AK calling with a gutshot/over is possible as well, and obviously AdXd.

baudib1 said:

That's a gross river card. I think c/f is in order. I think the A is a worse card than a diamond hitting. He can definitely have AJ or KQ and AQ/AK calling with a gutshot/over is possible as well, and obviously AdXd.

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c/f is so awful because it gives you no info about the player or his range for this line

Then we might as well shove the river. What kind of meaningful value/blocking bet can we make? $30? If he pushes then obviously we call getting like 7-1 on our money. We are losing to so much of villain's range here and no worse hands call.

He could have been flush or straight chasing. Maybe something like JA and he hit his two pair. Good thought that he probably didn't hit the A thought, it's good thinking.

baudib1 said:

Then we might as well shove the river. What kind of meaningful value/blocking bet can we make? $30? If he pushes then obviously we call getting like 7-1 on our money. We are losing to so much of villain's range here and no worse hands call.

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we don't _have to_ bet. we can just c/c a shove

We beat:
QQ, KJ, QJ, Q9, XdXd but not (Axdx or KdQdx)

none of these hands can call a river bet

We lose to: KQ, AJ, AK, AQ, Adxd, JT, as well as various possible but unlikely Ax hands like AcTc.

baudib1 said:

We beat:
QQ, KJ, QJ, Q9, XdXd but not (Axdx or KdQdx)

none of these hands can call a river bet

We lose to: KQ, AJ, AK, AQ, Adxd, JT, as well as various possible but unlikely Ax hands like AcTc.

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so just c/c like i said?
he can bluff when checked to also

OK, c/c I can see. I still think we're behind here more than 80% of the time if you include weirdly played sets in his range.

becomingpoker said:

Villain is playin at around 25/20/2 over about 35 hands so not real relevant.


Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (SB): $100.50 (100.5 bb)
BB: $100 (100 bb)
UTG: $90.50 (90.5 bb)
MP: $178.70 (178.7 bb)
CO: $104.50 (104.5 bb)
BTN: $465.85 (465.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K

K

2 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $9, BB folds, CO calls $6

Flop: ($19) 3

T

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($47) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $28, CO calls $28

River: ($103) A

(2 players)
Hero ?

I feel like shoving is the right thing here but what is he calling me down w/ here? I was truely stumped once the A came.

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Hello,

Finish the story. If he has a set or aces he would check raise and AK or AQ folds turn. All in on the river. Maybe he has pocket QQ or 10s

Brett R said:

Hello,

Finish the story. If he has a set or aces he would check raise and AK or AQ folds turn. All in on the river. Maybe he has pocket QQ or 10s

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why are you bumping 12 year old threads? those users aren't active now at all