$1000 NLHE Full Ring: two pairs facing a huge open shove

Hey fellows would appreciate if you guys can give me some opinions on what I should have done in this hand.

Background: I was sitting with a stack of around 1700, been playing a TAG game, won a couple of pots without showdown. Villan just won a huge pot a couple orbits before with he re-raised a nut flush draw on the flop and called the shove by his opponent who was holding a set. He sucked out on the river and was the chip leader with around 3000-3500. Other than this hand I havent seen any of his hole cards. From my observation, he was pretty tight preflop.

Villan opened UTG+1 for 60 and 4 opponents including myself on the button with K4s. Flop came K J 4 rainbow. Villan led 180 and I smoothed, figuring I could slow play him and extract more value from him if he has Aces or Ak.

However, to my shock, the turn came a 6 and he instant put me all in. The pot was only 600ish on the flop and I still had around 1400 left. Got me so befuddled. To me, it looks like he either has a desperate pair of aces (or maybe AK, less likely) or he had a set of jacks and he is putting me on a big hand.

I eventually mucked but I would appreciate any comments.

Not a huge fan of flatting with K4s, would prefer a 3 bet, but obviously this is a nice flop. Smooth call in position is totally fine, I expect we may be able to get a bit more value out of him than if we raise (eg if he has AJ, K10). Turn is an easy snap call...6 is a total blank and there is little point in him doing this with a value hand (eg KJ/JJ) on such a dry board. I expect him to turn over Aces or AK and trying to get action from KQish type hands, or perhaps shoving with QQ/Q10 to get K to fold.

Based on villain description he is aggressive with draws and could easily overvalue AA or AK here

If he had KK or JJ I seriously doubt he'd take this line since he should want calls unless he is somehow soul reading you for a big hand.

I make the call here based on how he played that other hand. Seems like he is the type to overvalue AA or AK here and given that he raised $60 pre that is an indication AA is definitely in his range and again, seems a bit off if he would try to blow you out of the pot with a set especially since you have no history at this table of being a stack off monkey...

So this is a call.

This is a call. This is a moronic over shove, and in my experience, tight players don't do this with top two pair/sets (KJ, KK, JJ). I think we can assume he is not opening UTG+1 with J4. I think knowing the suit of the turn card is rather important. If it brought a back door flush draw, an over shove would lean more toward a range of combo draws (A10s, Q10s, pair and a flush draw, etc). It is a very odd bet, but I don't think folding is appropriate. I would be very surprised if he turned over a hand better than K4.

I don't play those limits but I would have folded pre, K 4 will only get you in trouble.

I also agree with folding K4 preflop. If you are capable of playing high-variance and advanced post flop, it is not necessarily an unprofitable hand to play in this spot. However, it does add complication/variance, and seems rather unnecessary.

IMO given you called with K4 what more could you ask for on the flop than 2 pair, think I'd have to snap him off given at this point I see this easily an AK or AA as you said, UL if a JJ but again since you played the K4 I think you hit all you could ask and should probably be willing to snap call.

Just my thoughts, I don't play this high a limit live, highest was ever 2/5 but I think I would have to call and swallow it if he had the JJ.

BluffMeAllIn said:

IMO given you called with K4 what more could you ask for on the flop than 2 pair, think I'd have to snap him off given at this point I see this easily an AK or AA as you said, UL if a JJ but again since you played the K4 I think you hit all you could ask and should probably be willing to snap call.

Just my thoughts, I don't play this high a limit live, highest was ever 2/5 but I think I would have to call and swallow it if he had the JJ.

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Agree with this. You are not playing K4 in pos against an aggro opponent only to muck to aggression on a KJ46 board. If you are going to do that, then just fold K4 pre flop and be done with it. Absolutely cannot give him credit for a significant enough range of hands that beats you to fold.

This thread is 3 months old, and OP only has 4 posts.


Then it gets bumped by another new poster.....



I seriously doubt OP is still waiting for replies.



That is my take on this thread anyways.

Beanfacekilla said:

This thread is 3 months old, and OP only has 4 posts.


Then it gets bumped by another new poster.....



I seriously doubt OP is still waiting for replies.



That is my take on this thread anyways.

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Hadn't even noticed it was originally from august, thought it was recent, had taken notice I would have never wasted my finger usage to respond LOL.