This is a discussion on $1000 NLHE 6-max: Nut Straight On Turn Non Nut On River within the online poker forums, in the Cash Game Hand Analysis section; Background info:- TAG 2 has a favourite hand which is KJ
Hero (very tight image) - $1300
TAG 1 - $1000
LAG 1 - $5000
TAG 2 -
First off, it's important for making these spots more legible and easier to process by notating your players by their position (BTN, SB, BB, UTG, etc).
Second, is this a live game or online? I assume live since it's limping around at a 5/T game. But that's important to know.
I'm fine with the overcall pre, but I might raise large sometimes to try to isolate and/or pick up the dead money.
I'm probably just folding the flop as played. I can't tell if we had a backdoor flush draw, but you could consider raising instead. I don't really like just calling though, as I don't believe we have as much implied odds as we'd normally expect. When we DO hit there's going to be a 4-liner on the board, so it's just really challenging to get paid by anything that doesn't include a J in it (which we also block).
On the flop you say Tag 1 folds and on the turn you have Tag 1 betting, so I really have no clue what's going on. If it's not clear what the action is, it's really difficult to comment on the hand. So it's hard to say, but I assume jamming on the river is fine. You still hold nearly the nuts, and it's almost impossible for anyone to hold KJ imo. It seems unlikely we get called by worse, but who knows - it's live poker after all (I think?)
Yesterday, 4:54 AM
Game: NL Holdem
re: Poker & $1000 NLHE 6-max: Nut Straight On Turn Non Nut On River
I don't like the overcall/limp preflop here. Either fold or raise here. If your image is really as tight as you assume then you should get a lot of folds in this spot with a big raise, $100-$120. A fold is fine also, QJ is very hard to win with, so often your dominated with very little upside.
The turn, again you need to raise larger if it played out as posted but as Scourge says your HH is confusing with a folded player opening the turn. With an open and a flat in front plus a player behind (if 4 handed) you should be raising big here, give the sets and 2P a big price. You are more likely to get value here on the turn than you would on the river if a blank comes. Make it $475-$515 here. If someone does call the larger size and the river whiffs, you get more hero calls by the sets & 2P when you jam as they often say "I've got too much invested to fold now.'
As played on the river, jam is fine, if someone floated twice to go runner runner gutters then good for them, they'll lose the $$$ later on when those draws don't hit.
Yesterday, 5:33 PM
Online Poker at: Pokerstars
I had a similar hand recently in a live game (had 9Ts with 567board with a BDFD) but I folded the flop. My thought process was if I call OOP on the flop and don't hit, in order to win it, I would have to make some weird big bet or some, again, weird check-raise. I couldn't think of a hand I could have that would start leading or check-raising out of position once i check-called the flop - therefore a fold.
Also, at the live tables where I play, there are a lot of limpers, I am inclined to say that they behave the same way your opponents did - calling pre, mostly check-calling post flop. Still, I wouldn't call any of them TAG/LAG, but rather just plain and simple tight and some of them are not even for particular labels as they just play bad.
When you post hands, it is better not to use labels so lightly, because we build a picture about them accordingly, and it might be wrong. To be safe, use position for labels, and add some info on particular villains in the hand that you think is relevant.