I bet personally, he limp calls and min-donk calls the flop. He can have all kinds of pairs and random stuff for the flush but I think that's a small part of his range, we make TP which is kind of disguised and we have the NFD to back it up with some added equity. I'd make it about $20 and see what happens. I'm betting fo value mainly against 89's and pocket pairs.
Now to read the replies.
EDIT: Good point on whether he'll call the river unimproved if you check and I think he will, but it's one or the other, turn or river and on the turn he still has draws we dominate and we're building the pot in case we hit.
EDIT2: Blanking the river and him betting out is so bleh. I think if he checks then we can make a small value bet on the river, nothing large just to get calls from 89 pocket pars etc. If he makes a little bet then I call cause of odds and just cause. I don't think there's any value in raising and I hate folding. If he shoves I cry and fold.
Originally Posted by pickup
After reading all the posts I think it might be a good time to be a little passive and check the turn in hopes to hit your flush. This type of play and pattern from the "fish" really smells like poket 3's or 7's. I really feel like this play by the villian really says, "Hey, im trying to set mine you right now." and damn he hit the flop good if he was mining with 3's or 7's, and that $1.00 bet on the flop, I have made that stupid donk bet before hoping to get raised, so I can see why he maybe did that, and then smooth call cause he figures he is way ahead of you, and is gonna try to get it in on a later street.
So, IMO i say check the turn and hope for that diamond, and if the turn is a blank, you have some showdown value with the ace so we could call a half pot sized bet or less, but it might be better to let the hand go if he makes a weird river bet on a blank card. If he checks to you again on the river I would for sure just check with a blank card.
That's pretty bad results orientated thinking, hitting sets is god damn hard and just because that guy one time slow-played you with a set is a pretty bad way of thinking through this hand. Also betting makes our decisions later on a little easier because if he c/r's the turn we can let go pretty easily. If we check miss then get value bet I have no idea where I am and we haven't built a pot for the times we both make the flush.
Originally Posted by KardKlub
If your not familiar with a good double barrel bluff when the turn card is greater than the ones on the flop and as the raiser pre you can easily rep this them you need to get back to the books.
Being nice of course.
And the move is for value when you take down the pot as all good bluffing spots are.
And if you miss you can give up and you've not invested that much. But hopefully do it enough times for someone to raise you on the turn when you have the goods.
Loose medium pots towin the big pots and the small ones
Lol at telling c9 to get back to the books first off. Second I'm pretty sure he knows when and why to double barrel bluff but with your slightly vague description I'm not so sure. Also though I know what you mean don't say bluffing for value it's a misuse of terms, it's either for value(hands worse will call) or a bluff(better hands will fold) and yes both can be +EV and you can do both in some spots, but you can't inherently bluff for value.
If you look at my post I agree with the turn bet for several reasons (not just "ha big card, I double barrel you fold") but the way you're going about it in this thread is pretty lame.
End edits, I'm going for a haircut.