$100 NLHE Full Ring: Tens with wet board and 1 over card...reg villain range?

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Hunterholliday

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insight into what he was repping would be nice. Or at least his range?

Sorry im doing this from memory so im missing the EXACT money sizes, but this gets the jist across. The biggest issue with this hand is that after the turn i have no idea what the villains legit hand could be? And how to deal with it?

Hero 140 bb Button 10d 10c
Villain 120 bb MP

Preflop
fold, fold, MP calls 1$, fold, fold, fold Hero raise 3.20$, sb call, bb call, MP call.

FLOP(12.80$) Qd 9d 5c
MP raise 5$, Hero raises 12$, fold, fold,
MP calls.

Turn (30.55$) 2c
MP checks
Hero???


Regardless of how the hand goes down, Im trying to think of a hand he is on and what i should do from this point on. My rationale for the flop raise is (even with 4 people in the pot) if i get called on my reraise, or even reraised, i can just shut down and check/fold after that.

He is a solid reg so limping was wierd from mp. Im thinking KQo?, or even a KJdd, i ruled out JT because I have the Td. Obviously its possible he has 55 or 99 but again, im thinking if he does he reraises me on a wet board like that and i just fold. The issue is that he checks on the turn....is this something i can expect from just top pair like KQo AND a draw hand like KJdd? Is this a 50/50 for me to bet or check the turn? If i bet and he calls/raises i can shut down. BUT, if i check, is a reg going to fire on the river sensing weakness if he misses his draw or has top pair? Or can i count on him to check it down if he misses his draw/or doesnt want to risk any more with just tp. Thoughts on how to play this?
Btw the vpip for the sb/bb was like 50 and 75 respectively, horrendous players calling everything preflop, thats why me and him prolly werent worried about there holdings...
 
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Fold flop. You have two others yet to act behind you, and any hand that gives you action has you crushed or has tons of equity against you. HU I might just flat the flop donk.

Stop raising for info. You are bleeding money by doing this. We only bet for value or as a bluff.
 
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I guess i should rephrase my question (I understand your point, the flop reraise was a bad play no matter how I try to justify it haha). Lets assume me and the villain ARE heads up, is it impossible for me to differentiate between him having a queen(me dominated) vs him having a strong draw (even or better) in this situation? I understand what your saying about raising for info being a loosing strategy, but if i just call his flop raise and he checks the turn, what does this look like to you?
 
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If its heads up and he donks we should still just flat and see a turn.
 
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Yeah, it's impossible without any reads. But poker is a game of incomplete information, so we have to just deal with it. If he donks out turn again, I'm probably folding readless. A decent % of the time a draw shuts down once we flat flop.
 
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Feels like 2 pair to be honest, maybe a set. Would make sense for him to be out on a wet board with a set, and to call a raise (raise looks like you're trying to fold out draws).

The check on the turn is tricky, maybe he's just checking because he wants to employ pot control. You reraised him on the flop, what's to say you won't do it on the turn, so why not just check, let you bet and he can call?

If he's taking this path it's just likely he doesn't want to get involved in too huge a pot, which still makes me feel like top pair /2 pair over a set.

Would he play AK like this? Or would he 3bet it pre? What's your reads there I know lots of players who will never 3bet AK and just try take a cheap flop.

Q9, 99, 55, AQ, KQ(?), JJ, QQ Are what beat you that I think he has, anything else seems a bit too light to call your 3bet on the flop with.

JJ could be likely but not too sure, QQ also unlikely but hey if we can put 99 and 55 in his range we can do that with QQ to. But I feel QQ would want to build a huge pot here so would probably bet the turn.

Now ive confused myself.
 
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