$100 NLHE Full Ring: Super standard hand turns super unstandard (deepish)

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$100 NL HE Full Ring: Super standard hand turns super unstandard (deepish)

Villain is 11.8/5.9/4 c/r cbet 26%, bets 86% on turn after c/r and 100% on river over 18k hands

Don't know if these notes are important, but ill just give full picture by showing all my notes on player

3bets to 2.5x with marginal holding in non steal spots
will squeeze utg raises with tens
won't slowplay 3 streets oop,
limps small pairs in sb instead of stealing, flopped set and pot bet 3 streets
flatted ak in mp2 when i raised mp1
limp raised 99 utg vs reg semi deep
donk pot bet 22 on 555 flop and 2 turn
c/minr 855 board as bluff I assume since they folded to 3bet
can't fold big pairs postflop

He is an incredibad reg when it comes to preflop play, although they must eek out some profit as they play 400, 200 and 100nl all the time. I don't know how to check the stat but i'm pretty sure I've won more of this guy then any other player off everest

Im nitty, ~12/10, raise 8% from ep, cbet 52% and fold I fold well to c/r's i think (i would confirm if i could find the stat) at full handed tables



party poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 10 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP3: $96.75 (96.8 bb)
CO: $96.90 (96.9 bb)
BTN: $100 (100 bb)
SB: $128.50 (128.5 bb)
BB: $142.80 (142.8 bb)
UTG: $115.77 (115.8 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): $177.45 (177.5 bb)
UTG+2: $101 (101 bb)
MP1: $185.60 (185.6 bb)
MP2: $97.50 (97.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with K
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K
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UTG folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 6 folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) 5
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J
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9
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(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($28) 4
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(2 players)
SB bets $12.50, Hero calls $12.50

River: ($53) 9
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SB bets $102.50 and is all-in,

So my hand is obviously super face up and i was ready to call pretty much any bet, but this is the first time in the entire 18k hands we've played together that i have seen him overbet shove, so thats thrown me right off and am now confused
 
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This is like the standard nut line, include the fact you are UTG+1, he is small blind and a presumably competant reg up to $400nl....this is never a bluff.

I also think his small bet on the turn was to induce a raise by hoping you put him on a flush draw.
 
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Hmmm, can't seem to work out his flop c/r. Hardly seems worth it unless he thought he could push you off any missed hand.

Could he be holding J9 for two pair or a set? This line could work if he's scared you'll run a mile to any bigger re-raise.

Now the turn bet is very interesting. Missed flush draw with one remaining card and now is showing strength again but only betting under half of the pot. Could he be gathering info here? Scared to commit his chips with a set or 2 pair with the flush hanging around?

A call from you may represent a draw for you and a raise here could also mean the end of the line for his AJ, KJ type hands.

You elect to call. Now the river could give him any number of ways to fill a full house. The flush draw has missed and he puts you all in.

Would he shove with the relief he made a full house that beat a flush draw forgetting that you didn't make it on the end. Who will call that?

If it was me, i think id call. If he rivered a full house then so be it but your notes suggest he plays his sets hard and this doesn't seem to be now. if his 2 pair turned into a full house then unlucky.

so with that put to the side your only getting beat by AA.

Pay to find out. then you'll have another important stat on him for the future if he's not value betting AJ.
 
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His line makes zero sense as a monster to me unless you have a tendency of raising a lot postflop and he's trying to induce. He mincheckraises a very drawy flop. With what? Two pair? A set? Then he bets less than half-pot on the even drawier turn after you've called a checkraise on the flop. Again, is he afraid you'll fold a big pair if he bets 2/3rd? Why is he betting so small? And then finally a river shove.

If he's outlevelling you (okay, outlevelling me) then I guess he's taking a really freaky line because it'll get you to call. But, like I said, unless he has reason to believe that you'll raise his tiny bets postflop I don't get how this line matches up with a flopped monster.

Now, that said, I could maybe give him credit for a hand like T9s or 98s and in that case his thought process should be something along the lines of "I flopped a pair, so I'll checkraise and see where I stand. Uh-oh, he called. Okay, I'll bet small on the turn to charge any draws and fold if he raises and just check the river. Ooooh, trips! Maybe he has kings or aces and will pay me off!"

So in my mind it's rivered trips or a bluff. I can't really make a guesstimate how often it's one or the other, and unfortunately your read on him mincheckraising the flop and then folding doesn't help either since flopped middle pair fits.

Can't you raise/fold the turn?
 
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what would raising the turn accomplish?

I seem to be the only person after talking to a few that have the same rationale as you fp, the only 2 possible hands i could put him that do this for value were 89 and 9T, but didnt understand why he would bet turn so small after bluff raising the flop.

I called actually expecting to see busted hearts/straight a bunch, but he flipped over 22 which was weird
 
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That was a strange line for a bluff. Does that 100% river stat mean he bets 100% of all rivers and over 18k hands?
 
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what would raising the turn accomplish?

Put him to the test with hands like JT, T9 and charge him for drawing, mostly. If you want to keep the pot small then I agree with just calling (that he kills that plan on the river isn't easy to predict) but I think raising has some merit. Obviously not the best play though since you're much better off just calling and letting him shove river with bottom pair. :D
 
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