$100 NLHE Full Ring: I think I played this hand wrong Pocket 10s

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ok so not alot of reads on the villain only seen about 15 hands of him but he's got the ironman badge for full tilt poker so I assume he's pretty good/knows what he's doing
Heres the hand

UTG: $120
UTG+1: 19.95
UTG+2: 100
Hero CO: 96.50
Villain Button: 106.50
SB: 101
BB: 50

I'm dealt pocket 10d10h

fold fold fold, I raise to 3, villain reraises to 10.50, fold fold. I decide to call
Flop 2s 9c 9s.

I check, villain bets 12, I decide to call
Turn 2s 9c 9s Jc

I check villain bets 30 into pot of 44.
I...

also tell me how you would have played differently if you would have and why.
 
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Hands like 10 10 have reversed implied odds, even more so oop. With little history it might be time to give up and build a little history. Iron man badges means he must play alot of tables so his 3 bet range IMO will be pretty tight.

Once you call and check and he cbets it seems so small that you have to do something. Calling puts you in no better situation as you are still oop and bummed if overs fall on the turn. I think I'd 3bet this or fold. 3bet being my favourite. If jammed upon you can always fold
 
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First to act post-flop, I would have bet out, make the villain second guess that you may have been a donk that called a reraise with A9 or something. If a reraise were to come post flop, then fold. You played that hand pretty passively, aggression wins pots. Either way, he probably had you beat the whole way with a higher pp, anyway. He probably had JJ, QQ, KK, or AA.
 
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I did explain why

Because his 3bet ranges crushes us and we're going to be OOP. Even if his 3bet range is totally polarized to big hands (JJ+/AK) and suited crap 75s,86s,97s we have 44% actual equity but our situation is going to be much worse than that since we will be folding so often to cbets on big card flops.

Basically if we're calling preflop here it's to set mine and I don't think we can profitably do that here with 100bb effective.

If we had more hands or knowledge of the villain 4betting might be an option but against an unknown I just fold to the 3bet.
 
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So where you not supposed to put the question Mark at the end of your first post? Or are you being sarcastic?
 
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Sorry. Just meant is as why didn't OP fold preflop. I hadn't read your 1st response when I posted.
 
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Yea I ended up folding in that spot and later on in the session on a different table he was sitting right behind me too. I got ako raised preflop he 3bet it and I called. Flop came 683 rainbow. I check he bet out again I raised him he folded.
 
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The thing about this hand is that the flop and turn shouldn't scare you. This is a classic example of not thinking ahead, and taking more of a "I'll see what happens approach" which isn't good.
 
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Fairly standard spot. It pays to know how often villain will double barrell AK / suited junk against an unknown who called his 3 bet then c/cd the flop. Most people will shutdown against unknowns because they dont think they'll chuck their pairs often, so this is usually a fold on the turn.

As far as the flop goes, Leading is pointless bc it allows him to play perfect and in addition leaves yourself open to be bluff raised off the best hand

C/Ring is also bad bc it also allows him to play perfect (call with JJ+ and fold all bluffs...or 4 bet bluff you off the best hand) in attempt to "raise for information" a play which went out years ago in NLHE bc of it's lack of profitability

Folding preflop is ok since we are OOP and do not have good information on villain, to the point where playing our hand on these boards is going to be difficult
 
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