$100 NLHE Full Ring: Flop 3bet gets called, TP + more draws that I can count on turn

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$100 NLHE Full Ring: Flop 3bet gets called, TP + more draws that I can count on turn

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 47/7/5

Only 15 hands on villain so his exact stats are meaningless (47/7/5) but he's probably not good.

Full Tilt - $1 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $94.50
BTN: $263.80
SB: $35.00
BB: $114.45
UTG: $34.35
UTG+1: $100.00
MP: $100.00
Hero (MP+1): $101.50

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has T A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.50, CO calls $3.50, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($8.50, 2 players) 8 J 7
Hero bets $5.00, CO raises to $10.00, Hero raises to $25.00, CO calls $15.00

Turn: ($58.50, 2 players) A
Hero has $68 left behind and wants to just shove to avoid further thinking.

What say you???
 
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$58 or so in the pot 68 behind hmmmmm.You pretty much have the nuts here right no matter what the river brings.Is a check to look like the ace scares you a bad play here prop what i would do.
 
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I think villians 910 offsuit holds but i hope you spike a club on the river:cheers:
 
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Why the small 3-bet on the flop? His min-raise screams that he likes his hand, and on this board he will call much higher. Make it like $40, he'll still be getting 2:1 to call and on the turn you're left shoving $53 into an $103 pot. Much better isn't it?

As played I think betting something like $35 is best, that A is a big scare card for him, he will probably fold his Jx to a shove
 
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Basically the flop raise size was because I thought (erroneously obviously) that his min raise was either with a hand he'd shove over the 3bet or fold to. I thought that by sizing it a bit smaller he might think he had a bit more FE and shove a few more hands. Probably just FPS silliness or whatever but that was the thought process.
 
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Basically the flop raise size was because I thought (erroneously obviously) that his min raise was either with a hand he'd shove over the 3bet or fold to. I thought that by sizing it a bit smaller he might think he had a bit more FE and shove a few more hands. Probably just FPS silliness or whatever but that was the thought process.

Def FPS. What hand does he fold to a bigger 3-bet but shoves otherwise? Do you really see him giving up his draws / top pairs / tp + gutshot etc. Maybe something like T8 or 98 will fold to a bigger raise but you know it's a very small part of his min-raising range, and I really doubt he ever 4bet/shoves crappy hands
 
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Min bet turn and call a shove :)
 
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Why the small 3-bet on the flop? His min-raise screams that he likes his hand, and on this board he will call much higher. Make it like $40, he'll still be getting 2:1 to call and on the turn you're left shoving $53 into an $103 pot. Much better isn't it?

I like this, though I'd probably make it $50 to encourage our villain to shove if he's going to call.

We're 33/66 against a set and 41/60 vs T9, and those are worst case. I'd like to either get it in on the flop where we're a favorite over his range, or have villain fold a better made hand, which I think he does quite often.
 
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Min raise, oh how coy. $40 to go, then either cry and pout when the 8c comes on the river or nod in confidence when the 2c hits.
 
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Bet $33, put the rest in on the river. Villain has 2 pr+ here just about never.
 
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u have to shove here u have a million outs to win n u know if u hit the flush u win or straight u win. and u might even b good with n ace thinking he had kk or qq and flop no ace then bets heavy. u call. he sees the turns an aces n why would u call flop with an ace so he bets agian trying to take it down right now. u have to go for it
 
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2 pr+ 3-bets the flop.

Poker is not exactly a script everybody follows. Tell all the 47/7 of the world they must 3-bet 2p+ on a wet flop, see if they listen. I'm not even sure it would be the right play fwiw...
 
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Checking lets bad villains shove on inferior flush draws / pair+draw hands where they may toss it otherwise. If we do just open jam I can't see how it could be for value (I think J9/JT hands don't call now?) and I can't see how it could be a bluff (2 pair+ just isn't folding)... and outside of like one of the three remaining Tens or a Jack maybe there probably aren't too many cards that we aren't going to like on the river, so I think I like checking with the intent of calling a shove or CRAI a bet... yea if the turn goes check check we could be in some weird spots on the river when everything whiffs and a weird cards like Kd or something comes, but I think it's worth it unless we think J9/JT will call down a river shove or villain will never bet/shove his inferior draws/hands... but I think maybe bc the flop raise was a min raise villain could think you are playing back at the min raise and then gave up the turn when called? Who knows
 
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