$100 NLHE Full Ring: bottom set on drawy board getting bombed over

$100 NL HE Full Ring: bottom set on drawy board getting bombed over

BTN is a 50/30 drooler over 60 hands

bb is a 14/10/2.5 reg over 3k


party poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $151.60 (151.6 bb)
MP: $101.65 (101.7 bb)
CO: $37 (37 bb)
BTN: $96.97 (97 bb)
Hero (SB): $112.05 (112.1 bb)
BB: $115.40 (115.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with 8 8
3 folds, BTN raises to $3.50, Hero calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) 8 9 T (3 players)
Hero bets $10.50, BB calls $10.50, BTN folds

Turn: ($31.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $22.50, BB raises to $99,

ye just generally sighage, what bb's range is to know if I should be calling with enough equity vs his range is the hard part, since i'm behind his range for sure i think. He is a thinking player so will be playing a load of implied odd hands from the bb because of the drooler

I play ~14/12

As a sidenote, does anyone like checking turn here aswell?

i like a fold
i think you're up against a flopped straight so much here

i mean i dont know him well enough if he could float a straight draw and then bluff raise it but it doesn't seem likely

sets and 2pairs are also possible but like you said he'll likely raise the flop with them, so yeah i like a fold

but we had that discussion when me and villain were 160bb deep which is completely different, i changed it to 110 here where i think its much more interesting because we have 1/3rd of our stack in the middle already

i did not know it was 160 when we talked
u said it was 100
liar

Not trying to take credit for this, but someone wayyyy better than me said, "If you find yourself folding after you've put 1/3 of your stack in, you probably did something really wrong earlier in the hand."

His point was that once you have 1/3 of effective stacks in, you're getting sick odds, 2:1 on the rest of the stacks going in. If you don't have 33% equity and you've already stuck that much money in the pot, then something got real wrong earlier on.

I don't think you can eliminate overpairs from villain's range here. Oh gross, I definitely didn't see that the bb was the guy doing this. Time to reassess slightly, lol.

I don't think this range is too out there:

Board: 8c 9d Th 3c


{ 88 }: 37.397% Equity
{ JJ-99, QJs, JTs, T9s, QJo }: 62.603% Equity


The only hands that you're ahead of are JJ, T9s, and the JTs combo draw. Seems pretty reasonable to me, and it's definitely thin, but you have the necessary equity to continue.

I don't think 99, TT, or 56 are in his range cuz he likely just gets them in on the flop b/c he doesnt want to let someone draw to a higher straight. He could flat T9, waiting for a safe turn to jam. And this could also be QJ and tons of straight draws that now picked up the flush draw on the turn. I don't think you should fold this ever.

Yeah, that was stupid of me. Definitely would be getting in with oversets on that flop.

I was trying to go the real conservative route though for the pokerstove. Figure if you can get equity against the straights plus the sets, then you're already golden. I did this with basically 0% bluffing too.

i do not see how you can fold this ever, and i also don't see why his range can't include a whole bunch of 2 pair hands that want to lure the drooler into calling the flop by not raising over your bet and hoping for either a safe turn or improving to a FH

Mase31683 said:

Not trying to take credit for this, but someone wayyyy better than me said, "If you find yourself folding after you've put 1/3 of your stack in, you probably did something really wrong earlier in the hand."

His point was that once you have 1/3 of effective stacks in, you're getting sick odds, 2:1 on the rest of the stacks going in. If you don't have 33% equity and you've already stuck that much money in the pot, then something got real wrong earlier on.

I don't think you can eliminate overpairs from villain's range here. Oh gross, I definitely didn't see that the bb was the guy doing this. Time to reassess slightly, lol.

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I have no idea what you are trying to tell me here in relation to this situation tbh

and to the people saying "fold," what hands are you actually stacking off here with? middle set+? top set+?

straight flush and better ldo

switch0723 said:

I have no idea what you are trying to tell me here in relation to this situation tbh

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Basically, if you didn't want to get it in with your opponent here, then why make those bets? You set the hand up to play a big pot, and then when it happened, you weren't really happy about it.

Try to plan the hand out in advance, so you already know if you're committed or not. If you are, then no matter what the villain does it's fine, because the plan was to get stacks in. If you're not committed, then try to keep the pot smaller, check a street generally, to try and manage the pot size and get to a showdown. Once you made that turn bet, you had about 1/3 of your stack in, and if you regularly put that much money in and fold, there's a major leak occurring.

I think there is a massive difference in the theory you are saying when compared to this hand since im oop on a drawy board and villains calling range is a hell of a lot wider than his shoving range