$100 NLHE Full Ring: AA vs. Possible Straight All-in - Call or Fold?

So, tonight was my first time ever in a casino and first time playing live poker.

Had been at the table since it opened, for about 90mins. Villain 1, Villain 2 and Villain 3 had been sat there since I had. They had all bought in for 100bb. They all knew each other and from their chat it was apparent they all played there daily, so were pretty solid regs and they had all been playing relatively tightly so far. hands that went to showdown generally consisted of broadway - top pair, top two pair, trips, mid pocket pairs.

Villain 4 had turned up around 30mins before this hand and he too seemed to be playing fairly tight.


Live Full Ring - £0.50/1.00

Villain 1 UTG (£80)
Villain 2 UTG+1 (£150)
Hero MP1 (£55)
Villain 3 - MP2 (£50)
Villain 4 - HJ (£70)

Hero is dealt AA

--- Preflop ---
Villain 1 Calls BB
Villain 2 Raises 2bb
Hero Raises 4bb
Villain 3 Calls
Villain 4 Calls

--- Flop (348r) ---
Villain 1 Checks
Villain 2 Raises 11bb
Hero Calls
Villain 3 Calls
Villain 4 Calls
Villain 1 Calls
Villain 2 Calls

--- Turn (6) ---
Villain 1 Checks
Villain 2 Checks
Hero Checks
Villain 3 Checks
Villain 4 Raises All-in

Villain 1 Folds
Villain 2 Folds

Hero does...?


How often does villain have the 75?
How often is villain shoving with an over-pair or set?


Thanks in advance for any insight

That's one tiny stack you're playing with. Based on just SPR alone you have to get it in here.

And I'd be more concerned about sets if your observation so far is true.


Btw, I think they are all fishes. Based on play and bet sizing.

Bigger preeee

Also reraise all in flop. You just attracted a buttload of draws to call there.

Firstly - Make your 3 bet pre flop alot larger as its live poker and people dont fold, i would have made 8/9.

This also makes it possible to shove flops if you get 4 callers

Secondly - Shove the turn for value by shoving in the given hand

Wow i just re-read HH, GII OTF, shove over his raise 100000%

Ducky7 said:

Wow i just re-read HH, GII OTF, shove over his raise 100000%

Click to expand...

So, you're a kappa now? Dafuq?

lmao

Thanks for your comments everybody.

For anybody interested in the outcome... I called and Villain 4 showed 57o for the straight.

In retrospect, I should have shoved over Villain 2s raise on the flop and given draws bad odds and/or made pre-flop raise higher than 4bb forcing out stupid hands like 57o.

Clear decision now, though at the time I wasn't thinking clearly - completely overwhelmed by my first time at the casino - hence playing 50bb, having already lost half my stack on poorly played hands.

I've been thinking this over all night also, and yes, thinking over the play that happened not just in his hand but in all the previous hands, it's pretty clear EVERYBODY at the table, despite all playing regularly and a couple of them apparently being 'pros', were complete fish.

Aside from one of the players, the level of play was like 2NL online - There was no positional awareness, no regard for bet-sizing, virtually no c-betting, min-raises, limping pre-flop. Everything completely exploitable, had I been thinking clearly and not so overwhelmed by the experience.

On one occasion a player was asked by another 'how much he had behind' before making a call despite already having great pot odds and there being no need for implied odds. People were sat thinking about making an obvious call for up to 3mins, looking their opponent up and down. The whole experience was like sitting at a table of players 'performing' like pros do on TV. Maybe that's how everybody plays live though, I don't know, is it??? :dontknow:

Regardless, I've almost grinded my £100 loss back online and I'm gonna head back to the casino tomorrow night for another shot, hopefully the same guys are there again, along with some drunken idiots being a weekend and all!

BTW, my question about people 'performing' when playing live was a genuine one, not rhetorical. Are players genuinely taking 3mins to work out whether it's worth it to call an 1/8 pot turn raise with a straight and flush draw or are they trying to 'act' like they see pros do on HSP or PAD?

Welcome to live poker, its the worst standard ever at 50/1

No-one playing 50/1 live is a pro...

Whereabouts in UK you play?

Oh yeah, I understand they're not pros. It was more a tongue-in-cheek reference to the image at the table - unnecessary poker jargon banter, pulling out wads of £1k+ notes, somebody having another 2 buy-ins worth of chips in their coat pocket (not being used to top up after going below 100bb - apparently just for show), etc...

Rather not say specifically where I am, not Leeds though

Was at a Grosvenor Casino, btw.

Ha lucky for you its not Leeds and ok no problem ye people like to give the illusion they are good and have loads of money to scare you, just look at it and think that could all be mine, thats what id be doing

Another question regarding live play is c-betting. A couple of times I c-bet pretty wet flops and it always seemed to fold back round to me.

All well and good, if I'm just looking to steal the pot, not so much when I flopped a set of queens. Should I be looking to x/c or x/r here OOP? Is the reason nobody seems to hit these flops that I see as being wet because my preflop bet sizing is too small allowing trash hands to come through?

With regards to opening bet sizing, what would you consider to be a default optimal size for live play?

Everybody I was playing with seemed to open with 3-4bb (hence my bet sizing), but this always seems to get called by half the table.

I was thinking maybe double that (6-8bb) but it seems like it would be very easy to get pot committed very soon, given the inevitable size of the pot with 2-3 callers.

E.g.
--- Preflop ---
Hero Bets 8bb
Villain 1 Calls 8bb
Villain 2 Calls 8bb

--- Flop (Pot 25.5bb) ---
Hero Bets 18bb
Villain 1 Calls 18bb
Villain 2 Folds

--- Turn (Pot 61.5bb) ---

At this point, I've invested over 1/4 my stack, the pot is over 3/4 size of my stack (assuming I started with 100bb) and, if I had c-bet without actually having made a hand, I may find myself with air here.

Sorry if I'm looking at this wrong, I'm fairly new to poker and completely new to live poker. Any help or advice will be appreciated...

Live poker is like a whole new learning curve again, i would just suggest, see flops cheap with sc's and small pairs, then with your bigger hands make it huge pre, like 5/6x and then add 1BB per limper (however this can be table dependant)
make your bets for value alot bigger and bluffs slightly smaller although your only bluffs should be cbets as no1 really folds and we make our money all from value

Awesome, thanks for the tips. I'll bear this in mind next time I play

No problem, just look at it as learning again, try new things out and see what works