$100 NLHE 6-max: Wierd river spot vs reg

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Reg is 25/19 over 570 hands, not much history with him and no real reads post flop (59% cbet)

iPoker - €1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €127.45 (VPIP: 29.58, PFR: 19.72, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 76)
BB: €200.50 (VPIP: 24.78, PFR: 19.42, 3Bet Preflop: 8.62, Hands: 570)
Hero (BTN): €100.00

SB posts SB €0.50, BB posts BB €1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €1.50) Hero has 8:spade: 7:spade:

Hero raises to €2.00, fold, BB calls €1.00

Flop: (€4.50, 2 players) 7:heart: 8:club: 2:spade:
BB checks, Hero bets €3.00, BB raises to €10.00, Hero calls €7.00

Turn: (€24.50, 2 players) 5:heart:
BB bets €20.00, Hero calls €20.00

River: (€64.50, 2 players) 9:diamond:
BB bets €168.50, Ducky has 68 behind and sighs




Now its a strange run out as its tough for him to have many 6x hands bar 65s and its very weird for him to have many bluff combos here too as a few things get there that would check like 9T for example.

I feel like it has to be 6x or some crazy KJo bluff :confused: :confused:

Also havent posted a hand in a while so that probably makes no sense
 
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Why not 3b flop? Seems like a great board for him to x/r hands like 56/64/J10/910 etc. Also, depending on what he thinks of you (knowing the spew station that you are duck :) ) , I'd be shocked if he lets go of 8x or overpairs like 99/TT.

As played, it really sucks. I probably fold, but I could be convinced calling is right if we think he bluffs enough. We just don't really have any information that would tend to lean towards the scenario that he's bluffing.
 
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Did you have his whole HUD data?

This river I would call only this situation:
My HM2 Note caddy customized tracking this note:

This players river bet nuts {three of a kind, straight, full house, full of a kind} VS unshowed potential strength and {any pair or over cards} = 1:4 or worse than that ratio.

since you have collected 500+ of his hand history, it definitely in your tracker.

the only possible hands for value here is 66 , 76s, A6s. but there are a lot of bluff range it could be something like JXs QXs,KXs A2s,AT or something. it really depends on what his bluff range you collected from hand history.

I would check my note caddy instantly and decided to call or fold based on that.
 
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Did you have his whole HUD data?

This river I would call only this situation:
My HM2 Note caddy customized tracking this note:

This players river bet nuts {three of a kind, straight, full house, full of a kind} VS unshowed potential strength and {any pair or over cards} = 1:4 or worse than that ratio.

since you have collected 500+ of his hand history, it definitely in your tracker.

the only possible hands for value here is 66 , 76s, A6s. but there are a lot of bluff range it could be something like JXs QXs,KXs A2s,AT or something. it really depends on what his bluff range you collected from hand history.

I would check my note caddy instantly and decided to call or fold based on that.

He definitely has 56 and 64.

I think its a call just because there arent that many 6x combos in his range. The 9 however is a bad card not because it completes the straight but it gives 9T etc, which makes up a huge part of his flop raise range, to not bet. With that said, what can you possibly have that calls this river hence you should call.
 
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Why not 3b flop? Seems like a great board for him to x/r hands like 56/64/J10/910 etc. Also, depending on what he thinks of you (knowing the spew station that you are duck :) ) , I'd be shocked if he lets go of 8x or overpairs like 99/TT.

3b flop seems thing we only GII behind or if he goes crazy w/9To so we never have great equity vs his GII range. We dont have much history either so 3b flop seems pretty silly, if there was a FD sure. I think he 3b 99 + pre 3 handed too fwiw, and dont think he would x/r OTF with those hands. Would be a weird line for him to take.
 
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Did you have his whole HUD data?

This river I would call only this situation:
My HM2 Note caddy customized tracking this note:

This players river bet nuts {three of a kind, straight, full house, full of a kind} VS unshowed potential strength and {any pair or over cards} = 1:4 or worse than that ratio.

since you have collected 500+ of his hand history, it definitely in your tracker.

the only possible hands for value here is 66 , 76s, A6s. but there are a lot of bluff range it could be something like JXs QXs,KXs A2s,AT or something. it really depends on what his bluff range you collected from hand history.

I would check my note caddy instantly and decided to call or fold based on that.

I dont think 500 hands gives us given close to enough info to decide what he does on this river, also fwiw i dont think he ever has 66 or A6s here. A6s maybe but based on the player pool at this limit I dont give them credit for x/r A6s w/BDFD

Ill look for that tracker thing though
 
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I thought the turn was a good spot to re-raise that is if we choose to slowplay on the flop which is what seems like we did.

Since we are the shortest stack among the three i still call the river the way we played it. (by slow playing on flop and the turn). Good chance villain might be bluffing and our hand on the river is still too strong to fold. ;)
 
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3b flop seems thing we only GII behind or if he goes crazy w/9To so we never have great equity vs his GII range. We dont have much history either so 3b flop seems pretty silly, if there was a FD sure. I think he 3b 99 + pre 3 handed too fwiw, and dont think he would x/r OTF with those hands. Would be a weird line for him to take.

If he's at all competent HU, he's 3betting all PP's. We block 77/88, leaving 22. I hate just flatting since we essentially allow him to play his draws perfect. He shuts down when he misses and GII when he gets there.
 
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If he's at all competent HU, he's 3betting all PP's. We block 77/88, leaving 22. I hate just flatting since we essentially allow him to play his draws perfect. He shuts down when he misses and GII when he gets there.

You mean, we get to play perfectly vs his draws? He doesnt get money when he gets there (sometimes we stack him when we boat up) and when he misses we double up?
 
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except we almost paid him off here, assuming you actually folded...which I'm not sure knowing you lol
 
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I dont think 500 hands gives us given close to enough info to decide what he does on this river, also fwiw i dont think he ever has 66 or A6s here. A6s maybe but based on the player pool at this limit I dont give them credit for x/r A6s w/BDFD

Ill look for that tracker thing though

it is hard to say.
I would not give credit for his river shoving = all nuts
see his 3bet numbers and river size here, it is a player able to make over size bet bluff.
but my reads are not sure ,based on the data from your hud, this player balanced his whole range well in every street.

I would give credit for A6s here at least weight by 50%.:D
 
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Raising turn doesn't seem good either


This river remains a snap call
 
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And there is no way he has A6
 
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Fwiw raising turn is setting money on fire, we make him fold his worse hands and draws and we GII against hands that beat us and thats it
 
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If he's at all competent HU, he's 3betting all PP's. We block 77/88, leaving 22. I hate just flatting since we essentially allow him to play his draws perfect. He shuts down when he misses and GII when he gets there.

Just a note,

playing draws perfectly is not just betting when you get there and giving up when you dont.

DUCY?

Also when you say 3 bet, you mean preflop? I disagree with you on that then.
 
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Then when we raise turn, what worse hands call? If no worse hands call, then what better hands fold.
Maybe this is just because of my table image back then, but regs didn't fold overpairs on turns like this when I played 100nl. And we can still have draws in our shoving range on the turn.

I was also referring to you fold pre nittyness.
 
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Just a note,

playing draws perfectly is not just betting when you get there and giving up when you dont.

DUCY?

Also when you say 3 bet, you mean preflop? I disagree with you on that then.

Obviously and I meant otf
 
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Maybe this is just because of my table image back then, but regs didn't fold overpairs on turns like this when I played 100nl. And we can still have draws in our shoving range on the turn.

I was also referring to you fold pre nittyness.

the fold pre was a joke to dan because he thought the first post would be fold pre so i made it happen
 
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3b flop seems thing we only GII behind or if he goes crazy w/9To so we never have great equity vs his GII range. We dont have much history either so 3b flop seems pretty silly, if there was a FD sure. I think he 3b 99 + pre 3 handed too fwiw, and dont think he would x/r OTF with those hands. Would be a weird line for him to take.

You should ABSOLUTELY be 3-betting this flop. Three are plenty of worse hands that call, and some of them GII. Furthermore, if you honestly think that the only hands that GII here are 22, 77 and 88 then quit poker and find a new hobby because you have no chance of being a successful player long term. None.

Raising turn doesn't seem good either


This river remains a snap call

Raising the turn is a terrible play. The 9 on the turn is a terrible card. I'm with Marginal when he says that T9 is heavily weighted here, and there are plenty of JT out as well.


The fold pre comment was a joke, but your preflop raise sizing WAS terrible. If you're going to raise in a blind vs. blind situation, especially OOP, make it 3x minimum (and I prefer 4x).
 
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You should ABSOLUTELY be 3-betting this flop. Three are plenty of worse hands that call, and some of them GII. Furthermore, if you honestly think that the only hands that GII here are 22, 77 and 88 then quit poker and find a new hobby because you have no chance of being a successful player long term. None.



Raising the turn is a terrible play. The 9 on the turn is a terrible card. I'm with Marginal when he says that T9 is heavily weighted here, and there are plenty of JT out as well.



The fold pre comment was a joke, but your preflop raise sizing WAS terrible. If you're going to raise in a blind vs. blind situation, especially OOP, make it 3x minimum (and I prefer 4x).

rofl what century are you playing poker in dude.

2x OTB 3 handed couldnt be more standard.

And honestly if you 3b this hand to GII OTF then its pretty clear why you're a long term loser at the game lol.

Idk what hands GII that are worse on the flop and if you say A7 then all the regs in the world of poker ty for your patronage
 
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