$100 NLHE 6-max: tptk in 3bet pot vs competent reg

Not many hands on villain so not gonna bother with vpip pfr, hes a reg though and ive seen him around playing higher limits before and playing a decent bit of HU upt 400nl also, pretty sure he's a decent reg.



pokerstars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($114.60)
SB ($74.14)
Hero (BB) ($102.50)
UTG ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with ,
1 fold, Button bets $2.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8.50, Button calls $6

Flop: ($17.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8

Turn: ($33.50) (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18

River: ($69.50) (2 players)

Total pot: $69.50


Hero ($68)

Is this an easy bet/fold at lower limits? You're concerned about getting bluffed off so x/c becomes good too?

Unless you ship river, how likely is a 100nl reg going to call with AQ here? Dunno how aggro it gets up there at them high stakes.

Shove.

youregoodmate said:

Is this an easy bet/fold at lower limits? You're concerned about getting bluffed off so x/c becomes good too?

Unless you ship river, how likely is a 100nl reg going to call with AQ here? Dunno how aggro it gets up there at them high stakes.

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Stack sizes suck for bet/fold imo.

WVHillbilly said:

Stack sizes suck for bet/fold imo.

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Yeah you're probably right, well in that case dont see how we cant shove then.

You shipped it surely.

Arran posted a hand?

I have my opinion but I'm subbing to see everyone elses.

combos we beat between ~30-36 depending on if he calls ATo pre or just ATs

combos we beat that might call a river shove that we beat
probably around ~8-16 depending on the same (assuming he folds stuff like A7s-A9s)
Could be as low as 8 if he only calls with AQ and i think that might be the case.

combos that we beat that dont call/could turn themselves into a bluff
~12 for KQ if he has them all, think hes more likely to just check back with A7-A9s

combos that we are beat by if we shove ~15-27 depending on whether he calls QJo and JTo pre


Doesn't seem as nice of a shove now?

seems like its getting kind of thin,

i think i am right in saying villain can fold everything
here but AQ and could even fold that sometiems and be totally unexploitable too (if he has QJo and JTo in his range).

If he doesnt have these QJo JTo combos then i guess things change a lot.

Guess it's a thin shove but an okay one as stands? Cause he needs to call over 50% of his range here to be unexploitable

He calls JTo pre and peels flop?

Or are you thinking of going for a small bet/call and owning his soul?

Cafeman31 said:

He calls JTo pre and peels flop?

Or are you thinking of going for a small bet/call and owning his soul?

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what you mean?

Nah, I was joking about the small bet/call to induce a bluff from him

I guess it's close, but I really don't like x/c river unless I know he will bluff everything and vbet thin too - which is a bit much to ask!

So, will he call with any ace? If your read is that he folds everything except AQ (maybe) then shoving is bad.

If I was you I would play this hand IP next time.

EDIT: does he ever show up here with a bluff catcher that isn't an ace or a J? Approximately never I guess.

Shove the river broo

its not that simple.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

its not that simple.

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Yeah it is unless you give him a totally unrealistic calling range like nitky did above.

How did he play the river?

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JusSumguy said:

How did he play the river?

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How did who play the river? We're OOP so we act 1st. Point of the post is "How would YOU play the river?".

WVHillbilly said:

Yeah it is unless you give him a totally unrealistic calling range like nitky did above.

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hehe

Ducky7 said:

Shove the river broo

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Sorry bet river didnt realise stack sizes, wna bet like 20-30 :s

Ducky7 said:

Sorry bet river didnt realise stack sizes, wna bet like 20-30 :s

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We have a PSB left and you want to bet 1/2 of it?

WVHillbilly said:

How did who play the river? We're OOP so we act 1st. Point of the post is "How would YOU play the river?".

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Board is scary wet. I'm gonna tiptoe. Just feels like he's walking the dog with AJ.

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a shove polarises our range in a spot we don't need to.

+ villain isn't hero calling that much, if he calls with AT+ and Jx our shove folds out all his weak Ax hands..

did the math with Acky earlier and he has more Ax hands than Jx but not by too much, so if we shove we get snapped by Jx and called by the stronger 1/2 to 1/3 of his Ax range..

shoving rarely gets called by worse so its retarded.. check calling to bluff catch the smallest amount of his range is retarded..

I'm not sure whats best still. like i say i think betting is probably slightly better than how i played it (i check folded) but not because we get sick value just because it should be slightly +EV to make him fold a bit over 50% of his range. Dont feel horrible that i check folded though at the moment.

Am i nitky? sigh cmon if my calling ranges are so unrealistic atleast try and explain why,i'd like some constructive criticism but lets back it up with some sound logic and maths rather than CC responses these days which are all basically we has top pear obv bet duh! I dont think most people snap here with A8s, the whole reason being they can fold hands like this OTR quite happily knowing their range is protected from all their Jx and better Ax.

OMGITSOVER9K said:

shoving rarely gets called by worse so its retarded.. check calling to bluff catch the smallest amount of his range is retarded..

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Which leaves c/f or bet/call. So we are done with the hand here?

since his river shove calling range is so thin (and weighted towards Jx that beats us) our value range should be even thinner, and I don't think AK is in there (its on the borderline imo) especially since AJ beats us, the only real calling hands he has now that we're ahead of is AQ/AT which is why I think shoving is so retarded.

as I said, its as not simple as 'I have TP, ALL IN'

jesus.

edit: c/f is kinda meh since we're assuming he's now polarised but he has more nutted hands than bluffs here combos wise.

let it also be noted I hate the flop and turn sizing putting us in this spot.

Even though shoving doesnt get called by worse very often imo, it still might be the best line with AK, and maybe in a game theory/balance sense it makes sense too as we would want to be bluffing at some frequency then we definitely have an incenctive to bet it if his hands like AQ and AT are bluff catchers (although in reality i dont think i have any hands in my 3bet range here that want to barrel the turn and river (maybe KQs or something if i 3bet it:/), but i'm just thinking AQ is probably not a bet for value here, and AK and AQ arent too far away so it seems naive to treat AK like the nuts here.

edit: I like my sizing what is wrong with it?

I don't think he has very many bluffs in his range here when we check OTR, he can probably pot every bluff he has and make us indifferent to calling because of all his Jx so i dont feel too bad about that.