$100 NLHE 6-max: Running into a set

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Hello, in fact I did not see that coming. Is there any way to improve the reading?

I have put him on AX, KK, QQ.... found out I was wrong. But where was the mistake?

Visual replay: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7546912


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BTN: $192.18
SB: $100.00
BB: $96.82
Hero (UTG): $324.25
MP: $222.29
CO: $291.46

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with As Qs
Hero raises to $3, MP raises to $10.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) Ah 6d 8h (2 players)
Hero bets $21.38, MP calls $21.38

Turn: ($65.26) 3h (2 players)
Hero bets $29, MP calls $29

River: ($123.26) 7s (2 players)
Hero bets $39.85, MP calls $39.85

Final Pot: $202.96
Hero shows As Qs (a pair of Aces)
MP shows 6h 6s (three of a kind, Sixes)
MP wins $200.46
 
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Most of the time we fold preflop here, but I suppose you had a read.

3-betting small pairs as a bluff is profitable for this reason. Their set is well concealed.

Finally, check the flop. You're calling preflop because you think your opponent has many weak hands in their range. So check, and let them cbet with KQ, 44, and his other weak hands.
 
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Don't take my word for it I'm just a micro player but I can't say I'm a fan of the line you took post flop.

Calling pre IMO is fine but why lead on the flop? Especially w/1psb? Maybe not on this hand but you're going to get a lot of folds here instead of keeping villain in as long as you can, or you're going to get calls when you're beat. There is a draw out there but do we see villian 3betting suited connectors?

Your turn bet was also pretty small. 2/3 would have been a better size and if called you could safely check/fold the river saving you a few blinds.

Your river size was really small too. Unless you were trying to balance your range for some reason, you're just giving villian free money and every reason to call.
 
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Finally, check the flop...

Am I not putting myself in a weak position if I check the flop and risk to get dominated by any ace or KK,QQ ?

It seems like I would have lost the money anyways. I don't know which bet could have convinced me to fold after a check. I meet alot aces and kings in these situations.

Maybe a strong 4bet pre flop could have sorted this cheaper?
 
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... Maybe not on this hand but you're going to get a lot of folds here instead of keeping villain in as long as you can, or you're going to get calls when you're beat. ...

Very good point. I did not have a serious plan with my bet (bet for equity or for fold). I'm feeding the strong hands here.

Funny: I had AQ and A57 flop a few hands before on the other table and found villian with A9 calling everything I was asking. Tried a second time and ran into the set.
 
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Dangerous Game. I would not raise interest rates after the flop .. He also could get flash
 
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If Villain is 3-betting 7% your AQs is slight dog. Worth the call preflop, IMHO.

The flop hits you and moves your equity up to 1/3-2/3, so why bet? He 3-bet you for a reason and has tons of aces in his range. I'd check, let him bet and call.

As played the 3 of hearts on the turn is a horrible card for you. What cards would villain float you with on the flop after three betting you pre that you are now beating? There's no straight draw and the flush draw just came in. Would he 3-bet CALL with AJ, AT? Maybe. How about AA, KK, AK, 88 or 66? absolutely.

You are victim of you position and have to check fold the turn. If he bluffed you with JJ, tip your hat and deal.
 
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Fold pre to 3b. A-Q will be tough to play OOP here.

As played why are you donking all three streets? Flush get there on the turn, and I'm sure you have no clue where you are in the hand.

Hate this hand from start to finish.


Summary:

Fold pre to 3b.

Don't donk bet.
 
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Oh yeah, forgot to add. Please don't include results in HH in future. It makes it tough to give un-biased review of the hand.
 
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After a re raise preflop is best to protect your hand AQ in UTG1 is good maybe should do a 3 bet pre-flop
 
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Ok, so preflop play is okay. Although I think you need to open stronger from early position. When you open utg in 6 max, you need to get 3-4 people behind you to fold. When you open from the CO you only need to get 1 or two folds. For this reason you need to base your open size on your position. Early position = stronger open. I think 5 would be a good open here. Although it wouldn't help in this particular scenario, there are tons of other scenarios where it will.

Calling his 3bet is ok. But you assume his 3bet range is too small. Most pocket pairs are in your average TAG's 3bet range.

I would not bet on the flop. You are out of position, and you don't have the lead. MP has the lead as he is the last one to raise preflop. By checking the flop when you are not the aggressorand you are out of position, you are reducing the chances of you making mistakes and giving your opponent the chance to make a mistake. Your opponent is never making a mistake on this board if you bet into him. He either has the best hand and calls or raises or he does not and he folds.

Its hard for me to play it out from here since I know the result, but the uncoordinated board with one overcard means he's probably put you on tptk when you raised the flop. The fact that he called your potsized bet should be an indicator that he has top pair or better.
 
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Also, I think your opponent has fancy play syndrome. He will make plenty of mistakes, but you have to give him the chance in the right spots. You didn't give him the chance to make mistakes this whole hand and he *still* made a mistake by not raising you on the river.

I'm kind of thinking that the best line here from the flop is: Check and fold to raise. If opponent checks back at the flop then take the lead and bet the turn, fold to a raise on the turn. If opponent calls, bet the river, fold to a raise. Of course its really really hard to tell if I'm being biased here because I know the result, but you would be representing the flush here. But I'm not too sure about this, a second opinion would be helpful.
 
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Sorry for the results, I will change that in my next posts.

I found another AQ against a very loose gambler (short stack without Auto Re/Buy, I had a few hands with him already). Results shown as there wasn't much of a choice on the turn.

I was very sure I had the best hand. But I still think the pot bet on the flop was too high. What do you think?

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7547561
 
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OP:
Either call the 3-bet preflop and get faced with some tough spots postflop, or just fold to the 3-bet when OOP. This is going to be pretty EV neutral, imo. Folding is lower variance.

Do NOT donk the flop. You're only folding out worse hands and keeping everything that beats you in. You let him play perfectly.


Ok, so preflop play is okay. Although I think you need to open stronger from early position. When you open utg in 6 max, you need to get 3-4 people behind you to fold. When you open from the CO you only need to get 1 or two folds. For this reason you need to base your open size on your position. Early position = stronger open. I think 5 would be a good open here. Although it wouldn't help in this particular scenario, there are tons of other scenarios where it will.
This isn't necessary in most online games. A 3bb open is pretty much standard from any position.



Second AQ hand:
I like your preflop play. Once you hit on the flop, then I don't think it matters much since we're getting it in anyway.
Only betting half-pot leaves the best-sized turn bet, but you could also just shove here. I don't think it matters terribly.
 
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OP:

This isn't necessary in most online games. A 3bb open is pretty much standard from any position.

I wonder if opening size based on position is more of a full ring thing?
 
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I wonder if opening size based on position is more of a full ring thing?

I know what you're trying to say, you just chose the wrong numbers. A good opening raise sizing for online 6-max is something like:
UTG: 3-4x
MP, CO, SB: 3x
BTN: 2.5x

Alternatively, it's fine to just raise 3x or even 2.5x in all positions.
 
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You called a 3bet OOP and then donkled every street.
And he's just calling you down.

Check for control of the pot.
AA/AK beats you, AQ chops, and hearts come although they aren't likely unless he plays KQh that aggressively.

You're just handing him cash.
Check-Calling was a much better option.
 
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