$100 NLHE 6-max: JJ vs check/raise flop, turn shove

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$100 NL HE 6-max: JJ vs check/raise flop, turn shove

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 33/32/2

poker stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 562508
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CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $107.20
SB: $215.15
BB: $100.00
UTG: $112.40

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with J J
1 fold, CO raises to $3, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, CO calls $6

Flop: ($19.50) 6 T 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $10, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $20

Turn: ($79.50) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $61 all in, Hero ???


I had played about 70 hands or so with villain up to this point, 3bet him a few times but nothing went to showdown. This was the second time I 3bet him in recent orbit or two.

When villain c/r's this flop, I feel his range to flopped straight, sets, 76s, AT/KT/JT, and air (villain 4bets QQ+ pre). I decided to call to let him bluff off his stack with air on the turn.

Given the range I gave villain, do I call the turn (turning my JJ into a bluffcatcher)?
 
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Shove or fold flop. Fold turn.
 
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Can you explain your reasoning behind the halfpot bet on the flop?
 
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Betting half pot is fine imo. You loose less money to a raise if you fold and you will take down the same as many pots when villian has nothing.

Plus betting half pot on the turn leaves 100bb stacks perfect for shoving.

But when he raises it's a shove or fold for me. There are other over cards that can fall on the turn that just makes the desicion even worse so make it when it's easier on the flop.

Fold
 
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Can you explain your reasoning behind the halfpot bet on the flop?

I don't remember my exact train of thought, but I think it went something along the lines of me wanting to seem weak to villain. I felt if I go half pot, I only really lose from hands like 88/99, and JT-KT, plus I had a strong feeling that he was going to try and play back at me. I decided if I go half pot, he might gather the courage to bluff c/r me.

The reason I don't 3bet shove the flop is because I couldn't see a ton of hands that he would get in where I have good enough equity to win against. I decided to give him a chance to shove his air and I'd call on almost any turn (except an Q, K, or A)

I don't think the turn hits a lot of hands because the only hands it really hits is 99/78 and I don't see them c/r this flop very often. I could be wrong though.
 
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I decided to give him a chance to shove his air and I'd call on almost any turn (except an Q, K, or A)
Well, there you have it, then. :)

My point in asking is that you ARE inviting a raise. Whether or not that's a smart thing to do is another question altogether, but if you're betting small to induce and calling a raise to keep him in, then folding the turn is a big no-no. If you feel that calling the turn shove might be bad, then your key decision is on the flop - not the turn.
 
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Ya, that's what I decided on the turn. I don't love the 9 because it brings a 4 card straight on board but seeing as villain doesn't have a ton of 8x combos and I didn't feel I could fold after inducing a bluff line from villain, I called the shove. Villain tabled KQs and I held :)
 
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Well, there you have it, then. :)

My point in asking is that you ARE inviting a raise. Whether or not that's a smart thing to do is another question altogether, but if you're betting small to induce and calling a raise to keep him in, then folding the turn is a big no-no. If you feel that calling the turn shove might be bad, then your key decision is on the flop - not the turn.

Home run response right here.




OP, it really seems like you were set to trap him from the beginning. 1/2 pot to induce a raise then call off a blank turn. If that was your plan, hard to fold on this turn.

Is it possible Villan flats you with a monster hoping you'll continue your aggression on the flop? QQ+?

Can't see a set/many strong made hands doing this, possible Tx type hand.

End result at all?
 
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Ya, this was kinda like my big shot at stacking the guy. I was 3betting him with some decent frequency and just had a feeling he'd try and make a move on me here. As far as flatting a monster... I discounted it because villain is OOP. If villain had position, this would've been a much more difficult had for sure.

Results:

Turn: ($79.50) 9 :heart: (2 players)
CO bets $61 all in, Hero calls $61

River: ($201.50) A :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $201.50
CO shows K :spade: Q :spade: (high card Ace)
Hero shows J :heart: J :diamond: (a pair of Jacks)

Hero wins $199.50
(Rake: $2.00)
 
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