$100 NLHE 6-max: $ : JJ - any alternatives on this hand?

BTN: $133.76 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 18, AF: 4.8, Hands: 112
SB: $115.56 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, hands: 52
BB: $101.50 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 24, 3B: 14, AF: 0.7, Hands: 21
UTG: $122.88 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 1.2, Hands: 88
MP: $109.90 - VPIP: 27, PFR: 20, 3B: 3, AF: 1.2, Hands: 89
Hero (CO): $111.34

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with J ♠ J ♣
1 fold, MP raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.50, BTN raises to $22, 3 folds, Hero calls $14.50

Flop: ($47.50) 8 ♣ 3 ♦ 2 ♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $14.79, Hero calls $14.79

Turn: ($77.08) 9 ♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $26.10, Hero calls $26.10

River: ($129.28) 2 ♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $70.87, Hero calls $48.45 all in

Result: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/7551489

Nah this is good with the stats you have on him. NH

I don't like calling a cold 4bet with JJ. What do we really beat? And what do we think he's barreling with? There's 2 combos of AcKc and AcQc which we beat, 1 combo of JJ which we split with but everything else has us crushed (18 combos of QQ+). Even though your stats indicate that he has an 18% 3bet and a 4.8% AF, that is only over a sample size of 112 hands, so I don't think that it's reliable. I think that his true 3bet% could be as low as 10% and he may have just had lucky cards throughout that sample. And even if he is 3betting lightly with hands like 76s, A4s and 22, that doesn't mean he'd cold 4betting those hands, especially when he has position on us and would much rather just flat-call the 3bet with speculative hands.

I'm assuming that you just thought he was making a move on you with a completely rubbish hand. If that was the case, why didn't you 5bet GII? Why play out of position with a hand like JJ that has to put up with so many horrible board textures?

You probably know that you don't adjust to light 3bets by calling. You adjust to light 3bets by tightening up your 2betting range and then 4betting more. The same applies to light 4bets. If you believe that a player is light 4betting you, then you should tighten up your 3betting range and then 5bet them more. That's what you should've done here if you felt that the villain was just making a move on you.

Matthew Southall said:

I don't like calling a cold 4bet with JJ. What do we really beat? .....

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I think I would be able to fold JJ against a 4bet in the future and save some money. You are right, mostly QQ/KK/AA/AK waiting for me at the end.

With QQ i would struggle to fold, with KK impossible.

As called I was trapped with my overpair. Very well played AA.

sit out pre cards (all tags, no edge)

fold to the cold 4 bet, btns range is too AA/KK heavy.

fold to the flop bet.

fold on the turn.

fold river.

yah lots of good options here.


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It's not just that he 4 bet, it's that he COLD 4 bet. This is stronger than a normal 'hot' 4 bet when it goes raise, you three bet, and the original raiser 4 bets.

Omahahahahahahahahhahahah said:

It's not just that he 4 bet, it's that he COLD 4 bet. This is stronger than a normal 'hot' 4 bet when it goes raise, you three bet, and the original raiser 4 bets.

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That's propably the key information and the biggest "STOP".

Would you fold even QQ in this situation?

Guys I have to humbly disagree with the idea of folding pre. Villains stats tell me he's a pretty solid lag so he could easily be squeezing wide here. IMO GII pre. Yes you may run into the top of his range sometimes but that's poker. Folding is definitely exploitable with JJ. And calling puts you in a tough spot against an aggressive reg who could out play you post.

Not a bad alternative @Sneaky Feet

Maybe fold turn. You're basically committing at that point, and in a 4-bet pot you aren't going to get a ton of small bets that are bluffs. I don't think at 100nl he's trying to level you here. If he had a bluff, he'd jam the turn. A small bet on the turn would sound off alarm bells for me, because he knows he's pricing you in very nicely on the river.

Pre-flop is debatable. It kind of matters your read on him. Obviously he's pretty laggy in the hand sample you have so far, so I don't mind the call. I wouldn't jam pre-flop though. You're just allowing him to play perfect poker if you do that.

well

I would have folded with out hesitation. Sorry, just me

I think the way you played it was fine. If the opener would have raised a standard 3X, I think I would have flatted. Because he opened 2X it begged you to 3 bet it, which I didn't mind either but that introduced a bigger 4 bet. So, pot control starts going out of the window. With hands like 88-JJ, I'm def leaning toward pot control.

Unfortunately, I don't think 10 10 would play it like this. QQ-AA might and obviously sets would. So it's 50/50 in my opinion here. It's a tough spot. It's hard to know where you are at. Generally, if I don't where I'm at in a hand, I lean toward a fold. That being said, I don't mind how you played it either.