$100 NLHE 6-max: Fold against the aggro donk?

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The poker gods have been beating me down, so just checking my sanity. I saw this guy make some pretty bad bets/bluffs. It's probably pretty close on the river. I normally would make a larger CR OTF, but this guy was just betting and figured that was enough to get him off his air, while he wasn't folding any pair.

Pre-flop, the guy who is opening is almost a similar kind of aggro donk except he was a little more aggressive pre-flop. I wanted to keep them both in since they were pretty bad post flop.

[converted_hand][hand_history]poker stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26171881

CO: $212.03 (212 bb)
BTN: $126.85 (126.9 bb)
SB: $128.10 (128.1 bb)
Hero (BB): $97.50 (97.5 bb)
UTG: $101.50 (101.5 bb)
MP: $124.05 (124.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q:heart: K:diamond:
2 folds, CO raises to $3, BTN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($12) T:heart: J:diamond: 6:spade: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $4, SB folds, Hero raises to $12, CO folds, BTN calls $8

Turn: ($36) Q:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $21, BTN calls $21

River: ($78) 2:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $39, Hero calls $39
 
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Nice hand! I cant see the outcome but im guessing you took that one to the bank. Your value was fine with the other guy not calling but you did raise it. Keep it up! =)
 
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I just want to know the reason for the flop reraise.
 
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Get him to fold A high...

I was 50/50 on bet/fold river or c/c because he was an aggro donk.
 
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Get him to fold A high...

I was 50/50 on bet/fold river or c/c because he was an aggro donk.
If you bet the river i do not now how can you fold after against this type of guy.
Check/call and catch him bluff is more standard IMO.
 
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I don't think he'll shove as a bluff. That was my thinking at least, but I could easily see him bluff or bet a worse hand for what he thinks is value.
 
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This looks OK to me although to be fair I am at 25NL so...

I assume he has AK here. He didn't 3bet just because you are cursed :D otherwise 89s is a possibility.
 
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Let's break this down a little.

Pre: Villain leads out for a standard raise. He's in the CO and he is deep and he is only betting 18% of hands over all. I think we can assign a pretty decent range based on that. All broadways, all Pocket Pairs, 67s+, T9o+, and probably some other marginal stuff I'm not thinking of like AXs, and maybe KXs. KQo does pretty well against that range. Solid call, no problem there. The BTN should have a giant calling range (I realize I was attributing BTN range to CO earlier, its probably not too far off). He is calling super wide here. Not ATC, but most suited connectors, all A's, all K's, all suited Q's, all suited J's, and tons of other junk.

Flop: So, on the flop we have an open ended straight draw. I think checking is pretty decent given the number of opponents. I wouldn't hate donking here - you make take the pot down often enough - but I certainly don't mind checking with the intent to raise. The only problem I see is that it can turn your hand face up a little since people don't check raise much and I see it a ton when its a drawing hand trying to semi bluff. It does put a lot of pressure on and it could be a set, but if you are repping a set you better be ready to get serious when someone calls you. I think donking is better than a c/r here.

Turn: We now have a hand but this guy could have a lot of stuff that we wouldn't be excited to see given that puts 3 to a straight out there. Part of the trouble is that when we make our hand now we may be splitting it when this guy has all of those K's. The good new is we should be straight up beating those K hands when the straight does not hit, so that's good. We bet and he calls. This I think lends some weight to the number of K hands he has (KJ, KT, K6). He is pretty aggressive so I wouldn't be surprised to see a bet when he has the straight here... I wouldn't discount it too much. To be honest, this Q doesn't reduce his range that much. It kind of puts us into a way ahead way behind situation. A bet here is fine because it defines his range so we know we are way ahead way behind.

River: Blank card changes nothing. Still WA/WB. Check call is correct, in my opinion.
 
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How exactly are we so sure he bets 18% of hands in CO? I would put it closer to 35% if 18% is his average, even fish have some idea of position.
 
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How exactly are we so sure he bets 18% of hands in CO? I would put it closer to 35% if 18% is his average, even fish have some idea of position.

The hands I listed are broader than 18%, I figured he was somewhere around 28-35%. So that should still be a close representation. I should have mentioned that.
 
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