$100 NLHE 6-max: Deep ante: vbet what i think is the nuts OTR, get raised AI. very polarised

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$100 NLHE 6-max: Deep ante: vbet what i think is the nuts OTR, get raised AI. very polarised

villain is 42/38, 24% F3b and doesnt fold to Cbets OTF in 3b pots. 154 hands

i know he 4bs JJ+ AK

ive been waiting for my spot to stack him for like an hour and a half. hes obv overly loose, but is pretty decent post flop. he doesnt raise flops that i know of, but ive seen him raise his big hands OTT although they were in non 3b pots. in regular pots never seen him ch/r the river, but he has raised it 1/4 times when in pos.

so my thoughts on the river...

AdXd and Ad7o are pretty much the only hands i can see playing like this, except for stone cold bluffs i think?

pros for calling: blockers obv. his range is wide so it makes sense that bluff raising rivers is in his arsenal, flushes less likely in 3b pots (although thats not really applicable in deep games imo?), i bet pretty damn small OTT and OTR (trying to rep an overpair) leaving myself open to moves like this.

cons for calling; i only beat a bluff

poker stars $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em $0.20 Ante - 5 players - View hand 1963588
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CO: $294.66
BTN: $135.76
Hero (SB): $212.80
BB: $344.32
UTG: $268.89

Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is SB with 9
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7
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1 fold, CO raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, CO calls $6

Flop: ($20.00) 5
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3
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7
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(2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($48.00) 2
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Hero bets $29, CO calls $29

River: ($106.00) Q
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Hero bets $58, CO raises to $164 (putting me AI), Hero???? (~$100 to call)



maybe im just being a bitch bc of pot size. idk
 
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Don't 3bet pre.

As played, call.
 
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why notttttt? i wanna build a pot vs the fishy who has a weak range, and i like playing mid suited connectors/gappers like this bc i can play them super aggressively postflop on a lot of boards

youre gunna say increase your value 3b range and kill your bluff 3b range vs him arent you...
 
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You say you only beat bluffs but what about sets?
 
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ya i don't want to build a big pot pre with 97s. Do it with hands like JTs/QJs that will make good pairs and can continue on more boards.

As played I think this is a fold and it's not close IMO.
 
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why notttttt? i wanna build a pot vs the fishy who has a weak range, and i like playing mid suited connectors/gappers like this bc i can play them super aggressively postflop on a lot of boards

youre gunna say increase your value 3b range and kill your bluff 3b range vs him arent you...
YES!

He's the worst player to 3bet bluff because he doesn't fold basically ever.

He'll also be calling with lots of suited junk that can make better flushes than you. ;)
 
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ya i don't want to build a big pot pre with 97s. Do it with hands like JTs/QJs that will make good pairs and can continue on more boards.

As played I think this is a fold and it's not close IMO.
I can't ever see folding here. He can overvalue too much (he'll have sets and straights) and really shouldn't be giving us credit for more than a couple flush combos.

Could well be a fold live where everyone is afraid to raise any bet without the nuts but this guy should have more than enough worse hands to make this a call.
 
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Lolllllll love 3bet pre. But wvh is right

Snapcall river chooop!
 
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You say you only beat bluffs but what about sets?

I feel like the way I play this he prob would raise a set for value, but I think if he was going to do it, he'd do it on the flop or the turn (hence me saying that I know he 3bs JJ+ so he never rivered a set here), so yeah I think the river is so polarized that he barely ever had a set. Maybe I'm just not used to people playing like that at this level. But then again why would be raise it, because I look like I don't want to call, which again makes me more inclined to think he's bluffing and want to call?

Right?? Gah

Lolllllll love 3bet pre. But wvh is right

Snapcall river chooop!

Get out of it, you 4b this pre lol.

I honestly dont see why this is even close to a dont 3b pre. Tbh, I probably should be deeper before I do it, but given the right boards I can x3 barrel shove this as a bluff EZ so I don't see why it matters?
WVHs point about him having suited shit that beats me is solid and kind of scary, but I don get why you want to call the river WV when you make this obv very accurate assumption?
 
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Add to that that his CO open range is like at least 55%, I can't just call, and the 20y o male ego will not let me open fold pre to this fkn banana lol
 
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Bad hand to 3bet as a bluff deep, you say his CO range is 55%, why can't you just call? Actually, you're in the SB calling is probably bad, in the BB though you should call. When you're deep, you should actually 3bet LESS as a bluff from the SB, and less for value too if you wanna be balanced but given that noone folds as you say you should not think about bluffing EVER if they are only folding 25% to 3bets. 3betting trash like this is not a bluff is it, they dont fold so essentially you just bloat the pot up OOP knowing that they are gonna call you IP with a better range...
 
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I think yeah I'm just bloating the pot so he calls me with virtually his entire range, cept now I have the initiative and get to play for stacks if I feel like it.

Your post totally makes sense to me though. And tbh I kindve feel like a tard lol. But that's only cos I'm OOP. Im not convinced that this wouldnt be fine if I was on the button and therefore IP. Thoughts?

And what's your river move?
 
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Lol @ almost every one of the HHs I post coming to "omg you play so bad preflop" :D

In retrospect, 97s is my fav hand, and i think this is definitely a case of fav hand syndrome
 
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Oh well you should have said it was your favorite hand! Whole different analysis in that case. ;)
 
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97s is one of my favorite hands too but obviously I prefer spades or hearts.
 
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OK in all seriousness, you're being blinded to the fact that you're playing it wrong.

I have the initiative and get to play for stacks if I feel like it

Having initiative is great..sometimes.. equity matters more. And clearly you cannot decide when to play for stacks, witness this hand.

If you're 3-betting 97s in this spot then you are either folding or flatting a lot of other hands with which to 3-bet, which makes no sense, or you are 3-betting like 35% in this spot, which is just retarded because any monkey can figure out how to adjust vs. a monkey who 3-bets him 35%.

Being superior postflop means you should want to play a lot of smaller pots OOP. Because as SPRs get lower, your edge postflop decreases.
 
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Yeah I totally agree. Cheers.

I find the problem with increasing my 3b value range and killing my 3b bluff range just puts me in too many uncomfortable top pair only spots.
Guess its jut a comfort thing I have to work on.
 
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