$100 NLHE 6-max: Call river shove?

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$100 NL HE 6-max: Call river shove?

Been at the table for like 20 hands, so stats will give you nothing relevant... standard til river, call or fold?

Stacks:
* MP with $57.00
* CO with $144.30
* BTN with $100.00
* SB with $100.50
* BB with $375.35
* UTG with $213.60

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to BTN:Q♣ Q♠
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * 1 players fold.
* * MP raises $2 to $3
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero raises $7 to $10
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP calls [$7]
* * Total folds this street: 4
* * Potsize: $21.5
Flop:
* * 6♣ J♥ 3♠
* * MP: checks
* * Hero bets [$11.50]
* * MP calls [$11.50]
* * Potsize: $44.5
Turn:
* * A♣
* * MP: checks
* * Hero: checks
* * Potsize: $44.5
River:
* * 8♣
* * MP bets [$35.50] [ all-in ]
* * Hero
 
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I'd fold.
There isn't anything legitimate that we beat.

Floating AK/AQ caught up on the turn.
JJ, KK AA all beat us even if they are a little unlikely.
TT/99 we beat but I just can't see someone doing this when they have some decent showdown value.

Without a read that they call 3bets very light and our spewy as **** we cant really call this.
 
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wat? gay cbets are standard now? I didn't get the memo...

meh its by no means terrible.
its the size we'd use to c-bet a board that dry so it balances well.

I'd prefer a healthier bet though as we've played next to no hands against our opponent and chances are he isn't observing us anyway.
 
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A 57bb stack is a fish. We don't balance against fishes, we value bet the hell out of them.
 
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wat? gay cbets are standard now? I didn't get the memo...

Well I thought since it was a 3 bet pot, on a drawless board, against a short stack, there was no need to bet more than I did to get it in on a better turn... also, most people think a small bet in spots like these are usually bluffier than a 3/4 pot bet or something so he'll continue with worse. I asked about river action, too...
 
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While its true that cbets need to be smaller both on 3bet hands and on dry boards, they shouldnt be half pot, Id go like 14 here since he is short anyway.

If he was deeper I think I also bet the turn, and expect to be able to check back a lot of rivers, so many people shove or bet pot after you check back a spot like this. Probably not important for this person since he sucks/low stack but something to think about.

I probably fold this without any reason to think he would play like this. I do not need a very compelling case to call though, if he has ever bet a lot as a bluff, bet small for value, donked the river after floating OOP, any of these I make the call, complete unknown though I am probably just tossing it.
 
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Fish or not I would fold here w/o much thought because you can`t beat here anything but a bluff.
 
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I dont understand how we ever consider folding here. I probably just jam turn since he never folds any pair that he peeled flop with, but as played you have to call. Bad villains spaz out with all sorts of garbage here after u check the A high turn.
 
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i heard belgo once killed a man for snoring
 
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