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:confused: pokerstars Game #9366698605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/04/11 - 12:38:14 (ET)
Table 'Alrami II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: gungne ($45.50 in chips) had no reads at this point to early since being on tblew
Seat 2: jackk frost ($143.20 in chips)
Seat 3: AceTo5 ($107.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Nashorn ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: Zween78 ($25.30 in chips)
Seat 6: toluschev ($100 in chips)
Seat 7: Basadoni ($187.25 in chips)
Seat 8: Stefanicov ($60.70 in chips)
Seat 9: tenbob ($270.80 in chips)
jackk frost: posts small blind $0.50
AceTo5: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Stefanicov [Qd Jd]
Nashorn: folds
Zween78: folds
toluschev: folds
Basadoni: folds
Stefanicov: raises $3 to $4
tenbob: folds
gungne: folds
jackk frost: calls $3.50
AceTo5: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Jh 4c]
jackk frost: checks
Stefanicov: bets $5
jackk frost: raises $7 to $12
Stefanicov......
 
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I'm not sure what to do here. His range still includes the overpairs. We don't have a read on him, but, he doesn't have a read on you yet.

What happens if we smooth call here and here fires back at a brick on the turn? We probably lay it down.

What if we reraise here? I don't like an overbet, because, we don't know where we are.

Although, a lay down may be a little weak. I think we lay it down and wait for a better oppurtunity. We really need the read on this guy to play it properly.

His range has to include AA, KK, QQ, AJ, KJ all of which have you dominated. Standard player's range here is better than ours. It wouldn't surprise me if he was bullying you given stack sizes, but I fold.
 
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I agree with Tosborn that standard players range here is better than ours, and while I can't argue folding I'm not sure I like it yet. We may very well be behind and not knowing player is a bad spot to be in, but overpair, although possible, seems unlikely with his smooth call preflop (or he purposely played it like this?). I think we call here and see what happens on the turn, he might slow down (hopefully). But if we don't improve and he fires again I don't see how we can call this after that.

Very tough spot, can't argue it either way.
 
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His range has to include AA, KK, QQ, AJ, KJ

QQ+ rarely cold calls PF.

The only real hands that scare me are KJ+ and 88. This is a sticky situation though...really not sure what I do here. A lot would depend on my reads of villain; as was mentioned he could be bullying, or he could just plain have you beat.
 
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Won't restate ranges from above, but agree.

You're getting almost 4 to 1 to call the check raise here (which was also nearly a min-raise too), how far behind could we really be (if we even are behind)? I flat call here from in position and see what comes on the turn.
 
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Won't restate ranges from above, but agree.

You're getting almost 4 to 1 to call the check raise here (which was also nearly a min-raise too), how far behind could we really be (if we even are behind)? I flat call here from in position and see what comes on the turn.
Yarr, and you have position so you get to see what he does.
 
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i think youre more likely to be behind to aj/kj/set than be ahead of j10 J9 here.
 
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I think he might be calling w/ pkt 8s on ur preflop bet. Hmmmm maybe even a big pkt pair like pkt QQs.????? I put him on pkt 8s though.
 
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Cant find the hh at the moment but i will show the final

I called the raise and the turn hit a Q giving me 2 pr It all got in at tht point and the river showed an ace he flipped KK and i took down the pot

i would like to know whether i made a huge mistake in this hand or not as the guy went nutzz after and im not sure whether i made the right moves in this hand help would be appreciated:D
 
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It's worth it just to see someone go nuts when you stack them!

Obviously if you know he has KK then you don't call. But if he's going to stack off to you if you hit one of your 5 outs on the turn, calling another $7 isn't nearly as -EV it first appears, since you have another $44 in implied odds.

There's also the problem that he could have 44 or 88 and you're dead to runner-runner.

Trying not to be results-oriented however, this is probably a fold on the flop... by the gap concept (you need a better hand to call a raise than to make it) you'll expect to see a bigger Jack more often than you see a smaller one.
 
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Cant find the hh at the moment but i will show the final

I called the raise and the turn hit a Q giving me 2 pr It all got in at tht point and the river showed an ace he flipped KK and i took down the pot

i would like to know whether i made a huge mistake in this hand or not as the guy went nutzz after and im not sure whether i made the right moves in this hand help would be appreciated:D

Without being results oriented, I'd have to say, you're call on the flop was a bit loose, however your play afterwards was absolutely correct. If you knew that you were behind and you were playing for one of your outs, then obv. the call on the flop isn't the right move.

I mean think of it this way, are you willing to risk your entire stack on the turn there if you don't hit one of your outs. You'd have top pair, but you can't be too comfortable moving all-in with just a Q high kick. Think about it that way, you know you're going to have to put in pretty much risk your entire stack if you want any chance at winning the pot. With that hand, if you don't hit one of your outs, I doubt its a good play to put the rest of your stack in with just a pair of Js.

I'd fold the flop, but after that, no problem with your play.
 
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Just fold. Sure, most players don't play a set this way, but some do. Some players play big pairs this way too. And if he's on a bluff, there's a good chance he won't quit coming at you, and there's too many cards that could shut you down or give him the best hand.

Edit: oh and I wrote this before I saw the results. Nice job, luckbox!
 
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Ok everyone is saying fold but how do i ignore the 4-1 odds im gettin to improve my hnd. As i see it i hve pot odds and implied odds so is folding really the right play:confused:

The set is possible if no set thn i think the call is justified.m Obv if the set thn i am screwed but if no set i thnk the call is ok
 
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4-1 does not justify calling a 3 outer. you have to assume your queens are your only clean outs here.
 
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Ok everyone is saying fold but how do i ignore the 4-1 odds im gettin to improve my hnd. As i see it i hve pot odds and implied odds so is folding really the right play:confused:

The set is possible if no set thn i think the call is justified.m Obv if the set thn i am screwed but if no set i thnk the call is ok
you're right, he gave you the odds to call and that was his mistake, good call.
 
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Ok so is the under pair dicounted at this level of play coz i c tht play soo much at all levels below?:confused:
 
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youd have to have a solid read on him as someone who can raise postflop with weak/air hands.

ps, if you dont mind me asking - what bankroll do you play 100nl with?
 
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I was just having a pop whilst playing 25 nl i play off a small roll Only bought in with my winnings for day dont play it with my br monies am wayyyy to short for tht
 
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gotcha. do you use pt? if so, what were his stats?
 
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so far only had 4 hnds on him and 1 limp frm bb and no play after flop
 
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