$10 PLO Full Ring: Flopped Straight Draw on Rainbow Board

This was actually my first hand after deciding I was going to try and take Omaha seriously rather than play it while I'm taking a break from holdem. Sorry for not converting hand, still haven't figured it out. I play on BetOnline, anyone know a good hand converter that accepts that site (site sucks I know but its only one I can deposit on for some reason). Anyway, here it is.

2 players were sitting out so it was 7-handed


Dealt [QhKcJd7d] in big blind (like I said first hand of the session) with full buy-in stack size ($10).

2 folds, the rest check, as do I. Flop comes with 5 people left: A T 6 rainbow

small blind bets .50, I call, everybody folds

Turn makes it: A T 6 3 (spades pick up flush draw)

small blind bets 1.45, Hero ????


He is showing serious strength betting the pot each turn. I wanted to call but I didn't think that was the right play. What should I have done here?

call or shove

I definitely respect your opinion you seem to know your stuff. However, I was thinking it was shove or fold here (I was leaning towards fold). We have 9 outs, although only really 6 clean outs now that there are 2 spades on the board. I guess I just didn't think we had the implied odds to continue. Looking at it, since he will probably continue to bet I guess we may. I am at least thinking about this correctly right?

Why would you shove a 3 with 9 dirty outs? It seems like we'd have no fold equity on this turn when our opponent is showing a good bit of strength. Can we at least hold an ace when we shove the turn so we can maybe make a bigger two pair & we've got blockers to top set?

This is pretty much just a combos/implied odds question. We've got a ~4:1 draw, and we're getting 2:1. So we've gotta make at least $2.90 on the river when we hit to make this call profitable. Seems feasible to me. We have a 7.3:1 draw if we only include the 6 clean outs. I'm not sure we can make back $7.70 when we hit only our clean outs. So idk, its pretty close, and I'd lean towards folding against good players and calling against bad ones.

Yeah the more I think about it the more i just want to fold and wait for a better spot.

I thought we picked up a flush draw.

nope, spades came on the turn for his potential FD.

we've got Qh Kc Jd 7d, so in other words.. a gutshot to 3 clean outs.

imo its a fold for me.

Campbell92 said:

nope, spades came on the turn for his potential FD.

we've got Qh Kc Jd 7d, so in other words.. a gutshot to 3 clean outs.

imo its a fold for me.

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9 outs, 6 clean to the nuts. I still think you can call if it is a bad player who won't lay down top 2 pair or a set.

standard hold em thinking

OP never stated how deep effective stacks were, just his stack size.

Campbell92 said:

standard hold em thinking

OP never stated how deep effective stacks were, just his stack size.

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Is this directed at me? Or self deprecation?

me.. haha.

OP can you confirm his stack size or was it 100bb as well.

yea stack sizes were the same (I may have had him covered by like 50 cents or something)

c9h13no3 said:

Why would you shove a 3 with 9 dirty outs? It seems like we'd have no fold equity on this turn when our opponent is showing a good bit of strength. Can we at least hold an ace when we shove the turn so we can maybe make a bigger two pair & we've got blockers to top set?

This is pretty much just a combos/implied odds question. We've got a ~4:1 draw, and we're getting 2:1. So we've gotta make at least $2.90 on the river when we hit to make this call profitable. Seems feasible to me. We have a 7.3:1 draw if we only include the 6 clean outs. I'm not sure we can make back $7.70 when we hit only our clean outs. So idk, its pretty close, and I'd lean towards folding against good players and calling against bad ones.

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This is exactly correct. I fold because there is no history suggesting they would call a river bet if you make your hand. If you picked up spades you could call (especially if As is on the board)

c9h13no3 said:

Why would you shove a 3 with 9 dirty outs? It seems like we'd have no fold equity on this turn when our opponent is showing a good bit of strength. Can we at least hold an ace when we shove the turn so we can maybe make a bigger two pair & we've got blockers to top set?

This is pretty much just a combos/implied odds question. We've got a ~4:1 draw, and we're getting 2:1. So we've gotta make at least $2.90 on the river when we hit to make this call profitable. Seems feasible to me. We have a 7.3:1 draw if we only include the 6 clean outs. I'm not sure we can make back $7.70 when we hit only our clean outs. So idk, its pretty close, and I'd lean towards folding against good players and calling against bad ones.

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Can you explain the calc behind the $7.70? I am not at a computer (so no help) but my mental arithmetic puts it at $4.35 only counting 6 outs.

NoOneYouKnow said:

Can you explain the calc behind the $7.70? I am not at a computer (so no help) but my mental arithmetic puts it at $4.35 only counting 6 outs.

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We're getting 2:1, we need 7.3:1. So 7.3-2 = 5.3.

5.3*$1.45 = $7.69

I used the rule of 4 &2 to get 7.3:1 (7.3 = 88/12)

c9h13no3 said:

We're getting 2:1, we need 7.3:1. So 7.3-2 = 5.3.

5.3*$1.45 = $7.69

I used the rule of 4 &2 to get 7.3:1 (7.3 = 88/12)

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Awesome. I get $7.75 now using an equity method. Can't believe how much you can't do when you take a 4 week break.

For future reference inside gutshots like that (KQJ on a ATx board) are the absolute worst str draws and not worth putting any money or effort into. As this hand is played it's a pretty clear and easy fold.

dwbrown7680 said:

For future reference inside gutshots like that (KQJ on a ATx board) are the absolute worst str draws and not worth putting any money or effort into. As this hand is played it's a pretty clear and easy fold.

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I'd think their improved implied odds would make up for some lack of equity. Everyone knows a JT board is littered with straight draws, but they might be willing to stack 2nd best on an ATx flop that turns a Q.

Fold. Definitely not pushing on a draw. And calling feels too fishy for me. There will be another hand.

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I've never seen that many people check preflop.