$10 PLO 6-max: Flop a boat v higher trips...was the call good or can this be folded?

$10 PLO 6-max: Flop a boat v higher trips...was the call good or can this be folded?

Hey guys,

I know the theorem behind this, but do you think that I can honestly lay this one down? or no?

And if I misplayed this, by all means tell me haha, (stil learning to play omaha)

It was a bad beat? but ive been running pretty poor lately....any feedback at all would be helpful

Thanks guys

full tilt poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 908248
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BTN): $7.38
SB: $16.97
BB: $7.53
UTG: $50.10
MP: $18.22
CO: $23.71
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with T :club: 5 :diamond: 9 :spade: 5 :heart:
UTG raises to $0.20, MP calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, 2 folds
Flop: ($0.95) A :spade: A :club: 5 :spade: (4 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.47, UTG calls $0.47, MP raises to $2.83, CO folds, Hero raises to $7.18 all in, UTG folds, MP calls $4.35
Turn: ($15.78) 7 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)
River: ($15.78) 4 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Fold pre for sure.

(disclaimer, I'm still learning) pre-flop is a fold I'm pretty sure, as played I'd pot the flop instead of half-potting, otherwise it's probably just a cooler. In general beware of underfull hands, they rarely win big pots and don't have great equity.

yea i know, i figured a pre flop fold was probably the right play haha but do you think theres any way you possibly lay that down in fear that hes got a 5 too? i know the numbers show its rare, but any chance???

I don't wanna give you bad advice for this spot as to whether you should fold, raise, try to get to showdown cheaply, etc. I'm not really sure what the answer is, I'll let someone more experienced than me answer. I do know that we're drawing dead to A5xx and we have about 60% equity against Axxx where x is a card bigger than 5. That's really the problem with playing this hand to begin with-- since it has such a weak structure, we're setting ourselves up to either win a small pot or make a second best hand and lose a big one.

good point, haha im only sitting with 4$ at the omaha rush tables lol so im still attempting to learn how to play it better but thanks, any feedback is appreciated

no problem, PLO is a tough game. I'm learning right along there with ya!

Another nit-picky note, you're really handicapping yourself by playing short at Omaha tables. Omaha really depends on implied odds and position, among other things, and you're denying yourself those advantages by playing short. So buy in full or play lower stakes (I know rush only has .05/.10, so I'd probably just multi-table the normal games until I was rolled to buy in full).

yea true, ive noticed that in playing a little...im going back to brm rules, so I'm done playing omaha for awhile lol

Fold pre definitely. With all the money that's in the pot right now, I don't mind just shipping it. But keep in mind that you're not a big favorite here. And if there's a chance they're semi-bluffing or something like that, you often want to keep the pot small on the flop & ship safe turns. Allowing them to bluff or hit dead draws, and gaining some equity when blank turns hit will help turn this hand into a bigger winner.

But the real key is to fold preflop, since even when you flop a dream flop (a boat), you're still only ~6% ahead when the money goes in. Preflop hand selection will allow you to get all in postflop with a big edge. Jeff Hwang talks a lot about selecting hands preflop so that you can get all in postflop as a huge favorite in his books, and its probably a good place to start when learning PLO.

Tc 5d 9s 5h - 56.02%
A*** - 43.98%

http://propokertools.com/simulations/show?b=As+Ac+5s&g=oh&h1=Tc+5d+9s+5h&h2=A***

And what they said, playing short is silly.

What stats/reads do you have on the UTG raiser. Personally the hand you were playing even fromn the button is a pretty easy fold IMO pre flop. I might have seen the flop with no raises in front witht hat hand but you have to think of what hands you will like on the flop when you enter a PLO hand.

You are not suited so there is no chance for flush here. If you hit a Set they are 5s and yuou are not going to be happy betting or calling with 555. You have straight possibilities but they are easily dominated unless you catch the low end of the flop.

Fold this hand pre flop

Also for this table you want to be siting with at least 16 bucks. You have a guy on here with 50 and he is gonna look to get people all in with marginal hands you can almost count on it. Realy though you should be sitting with what yuor BR can afford. Maybe 05/10 is too much?

^^c9 said everything I was going to... (including posting the equity calculation..i was already bringing up propokertools before i saw his post)

just want to reiterate again though, that hand really, really REALLY sucks preflop. Fold it.

There is NOTHING good about that hand. T9 by itself isn't worth much. Basically any lowpair sucks in an omaha hand (*with the only exception being double paired hands, however even with those higher and closer together is way better). Also you have no suits, rainbow hands are an almost automatic muck that don't contain two aces.




Postflop it's basically a flip. If he has A5xx or AAxx well that's just super unlucky and if that's what happened it won't happen often... you are a small favorite over any Axxx hand, so it's fine to ship the flop.