$10 PL O 6-max: BTN steal, 2 barrel?

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I'm looking for spots to pick up small pots - is this one of them?

Only a few hands on Villain, stats don't mean anything.

I can't imagine a hand that c/c's two streets that can stand a bet on a blank river, that's why I'm asking - so can I b/f turn, or should I check behind and give up river, or check behind and b/f river (fold if bet into)?

poker stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.thehandconverter.com/hands/450501
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CO: $10.10
Hero (BTN): $10.90
SB: $4.70
BB: $5.00
UTG: $13.50
MP: $10.25

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 5h Qh Jd Jc
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 4s 6c Qc (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) 5c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???
 
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BB calling on the flop can only mean a draw/ air. Most people will be raising the flop with 2 pair/ sets but they do not raise their draws often enough and people definitely do not float at this level. So i like checking back the turn and trying to get to showdown with this hand cause you do have some kind of equity. I just hate betting the turn because every draw hit and he is going to be check raising a ton, by his whole range, made hands and air.

It sucks but I think c/f on the river is the most profitable.
 
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As an aside, what tracking software do you use for PLO?
 
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Nvm, I just updated my PT3 and now it tracks PLO. Sorry for double post.
 
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I am most definately checking behind on this turn and am agreeing with what marginal said.
 
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heads up? in position? hell yes bet this... he'll raise his good flushes and you can fold, he'll fold alot and depending on how bad he is he may flat a good number of hands (straights etc)... if he flats and checks again (especially with any hesitation) I am probably barreling the river too.

people play very straightforward and bad (and usually too passive) at these stakes and you can get people to fold non nut hands most of the time.

Having said that there are also a reasonable number of fish who will call with bad/mediocre hands they *think* are good if you bet small or check a street. (I'm talking about a weak two pair on a scary board, a straight on a flush/paired board, a 7 high flush facing lots of action..etc). If he's one of those make a note and make adjustments, but I am betting out here against most unknowns and going from there. The worst of these fish might reraise you on this board with any flush... that's fine, if you get raised you are beat.

Aggression is very important in this game... you have position, use it.



Or to put it another way... if you check behind here, he's never folding and he's likely got you beat. Does he likely have the nuts? Certainly possible... but not too likely.
 
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heads up? in position? hell yes bet this... he'll raise his good flushes and you can fold, he'll fold alot and depending on how bad he is he may flat a good number of hands (straights etc)... if he flats and checks again (especially with any hesitation) I am probably barreling the river too.

people play very straightforward and bad (and usually too passive) at these stakes and you can get people to fold non nut hands most of the time.

Having said that there are also a reasonable number of fish who will call with bad/mediocre hands they *think* are good if you bet small or check a street. (I'm talking about a weak two pair on a scary board, a straight on a flush/paired board, a 7 high flush facing lots of action..etc). If he's one of those make a note and make adjustments, but I am betting out here against most unknowns and going from there. The worst of these fish might reraise you on this board with any flush... that's fine, if you get raised you are beat.

Aggression is very important in this game... you have position, use it.



Or to put it another way... if you check behind here, he's never folding and he's likely got you beat. Does he likely have the nuts? Certainly possible... but not too likely.

Cool - do you use a HUD? I'm thinking (based on trial and error) that this is a good technique to use on someone w better stats, say around 25 to 35 VPIP and roughly half to 3/4's the VPIP as a PFR, and that this is suicide against a passive fish 80/3 type player (i.e., better stats imply better hand reading skills, worse stats imply no concept of the game). Does that sound right?
 
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Cool - do you use a HUD? I'm thinking (based on trial and error) that this is a good technique to use on someone w better stats, say around 25 to 35 VPIP and roughly half to 3/4's the VPIP as a PFR, and that this is suicide against a passive fish 80/3 type player (i.e., better stats imply better hand reading skills, worse stats imply no concept of the game). Does that sound right?


Yeah I usually use a hud... I've been experimenting with not using it and believe it or not I think I might play better without provided it's not more than a couple tables. (but that's another story...). I use hold em manager omaha.


You are more or less on the right track. If villain is a crazy loose fish pre and post flop who just isn't folding this is suicide..villain has to be capable of folding. Fortunately, the types who can't fold anything usually become very obvious very fast. Some people will never fold KKxx or AAxx in that spot for example.

Obviously, this works better against tighter postflop players. Don't put too much stock in VPIP though... there are enough 70/3 types running around that play nitty fit or fold postflop as well as 15/12 ish types that are always playing quality starting hands and can't fold em postflop to where it's not a major surprise when you find one.
 
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Yeah I usually use a hud... I've been experimenting with not using it and believe it or not I think I might play better without provided it's not more than a couple tables. (but that's another story...). I use hold em manager omaha.


You are more or less on the right track. If villain is a crazy loose fish pre and post flop who just isn't folding this is suicide..villain has to be capable of folding. Fortunately, the types who can't fold anything usually become very obvious very fast. Some people will never fold KKxx or AAxx in that spot for example.

Obviously, this works better against tighter postflop players. Don't put too much stock in VPIP though... there are enough 70/3 types running around that play nitty fit or fold postflop as well as 15/12 ish types that are always playing quality starting hands and can't fold em postflop to where it's not a major surprise when you find one.

Makes sense.

Would love to hear your thoughts someday on what might contribute to better play by not using the HUD.

I'm finding the HUD to be of limited use in Omaha - VPIP/PFR/AFq/ and c/r are the only stats I currently pay alot of attention to, but the things I really want to know are things that can only be captured in notes - how does villain bet draws, what does he play fast, what does he slowplay, does he call down light, will he get it in w AAxx on a dry flop, etc. Things I cared alot about in NLHE, like 3bet%, fold to 3bet%, fold to cbet % just don't seem to be as important, since nobody folds...
 
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